Coward or Compromisor?

[tv1a]

Some are concerned about rckrt's feelings. What about the trail of spiritual dead bodies he has left? I know the dangers of this attitude.

If the upci took on legalism 40 years we wouldn't have talk of 2,000 ministers leaving an organization today.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Should we shun our brothers and sisters in Christ who have mental illnesses?

Is being rude and hateful and judgemental a mental illness?

I would say that in most cases being "rude and hateful and judgmental" is just a part of being human. When we see ourselves doing those things we tend to feel embarassed and remorseful and seek to do better.

When someone does not feel the standard feelings of remorse we should suspect something is wrong. It maybe we are dealing with an entirely moral issue and the Bible of course gives us guidance there.

However I have been closely involved with individuals who exhibited "moral compromises" without remorse and found that this behavior was interwoven with patterns of thought that fit many classic types of mental illness. You really have to be close to someone to see this, and even then love and other common assumptions will cause you to overlook the obvious for years. I say "you" here, but I really mean "me." I overlooked the obvious for years.

I'm no clinician, but a common standard for evaluating whether or not a particular behavior is a "disease" is if the behavior prevents an individual from participating in the usual routines of life. One way to evaluate these things is to look at relationships. Is the individual capable of maintaining long term relationships, or do they tend to "go through people?"

Ironically, that's a good way to evaluate a church. Does it tend to cycle through people leaving broken relationships in its wake?

There are many other factors that come into play as well. However in a thread where names are mentioned we are reminded of the forum rules and cannot describe things in too great a detail.

Should we shun someone who has a mental illness? Yes, in many cases. It's not a panacea, but for those who exhibit destructive and anti-social behaviors we do have Biblical precedent (1 Corinthians 5).

In one church where I was involved there was a local street person who would interupt the services by barging in and screaming and waving alcoholic beverages around. When we learned to ignore this behavior of his he stopped because he had no audience. So also with folks who exhibit disturbing behavior in other ways. They are doing these things because they have not been able to establish healthy and lasting relationships in their lives.

As E.B. pointed out, it's like a dog that doesn't get attention and leaves a "surprise" for you to clean up. The answer for the dog is to get it involved in healthy relationships. Same thing when a human leaves "poo" around on the Internet - by ignoring them you are forcing them to ammend their behavior and to find ways to create healthy relationships.

[jrLA]

Originally Posted by tv1a

When a legalist makes a comment like the statement which stands I highlighted, one must ask the legalist if they are are so sure that people with opposing beliefs are going to hell, why throw in the word may? If rckrt is so confident FCF, and AFF is so wrong, why beat around the bush? It's easy to tell the living they are going to hell, but once they pass on from this life, they MAY not be lost. If they may be lost, the other side of the coin is they MAY be SAVED.

Rckrt's comments is an attempt to intimidate the living. He knows he has no power over those who are no longer with us. In spite of how many bad mushrooms rckrt eats, he cannot be judge, jury and executioner over those who are not living.

I wish I would have met the founder of FCF. He made such a tremendous impact on my life. Believer's Bootcamp is a must read for every Apostolic Believer.

Rckrt's insinuations are repulsive on the surface, but after some thought, it really exposes him to be the coward many have known him to be.

Rckrt has a spirit of pride and arrogance. The same spirits Lucifer exhibited before his expulsion from the presence of God.


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I have to say that I am appalled by this! I knew Jim Yohe personally, he was a friend of mine. This is so uncalled for. The man was a gift to the Body of Christ. I did not always agree with him on everything, but this is beyond acceptable.

My respect for Reckart, if there was any left, has just ended! Not that I really had any for him! But wow.....

[tv1a]

When this dog was ignored, he put up a wall of shame. When this dog was ignored he put devil horns on Bro. Haney. When this dog was ignored, his minions turn Bill Price in marshmellow cream. Ignoring this guy is dangerous to the weak amongst our midst. The Bill Prices of the world need to know there is someone who will not put up with this nonsense from rckrt and his cult. The big boys can handle themselves. Who will stand up for BP?

Originally Posted by pelathais

I would say that in most cases being "rude and hateful and judgmental" is just a part of being human. When we see ourselves doing those things we tend to feel embarassed and remorseful and seek to do better.

When someone does not feel the standard feelings of remorse we should suspect something is wrong. It maybe we are dealing with an entirely moral issue and the Bible of course gives us guidance there.

However I have been closely involved with individuals who exhibited "moral compromises" without remorse and found that this behavior was interwoven with patterns of thought that fit many classic types of mental illness. You really have to be close to someone to see this, and even then love and other common assumptions will cause you to overlook the obvious for years. I say "you" here, but I really mean "me." I overlooked the obvious for years.

I'm no clinician, but a common standard for evaluating whether or not a particular behavior is a "disease" is if the behavior prevents an individual from participating in the usual routines of life. One way to evaluate these things is to look at relationships. Is the individual capable of maintaining long term relationships, or do they tend to "go through people?"

Ironically, that's a good way to evaluate a church. Does it tend to cycle through people leaving broken relationships in its wake?

There are many other factors that come into play as well. However in a thread where names are mentioned we are reminded of the forum rules and cannot describe things in too great a detail.

Should we shun someone who has a mental illness? Yes, in many cases. It's not a panacea, but for those who exhibit destructive and anti-social behaviors we do have Biblical precedent (1 Corinthians 5).

In one church where I was involved there was a local street person who would interupt the services by barging in and screaming and waving alcoholic beverages around. When we learned to ignore this behavior of his he stopped because he had no audience. So also with folks who exhibit disturbing behavior in other ways. They are doing these things because they have not been able to establish healthy and lasting relationships in their lives.

As E.B. pointed out, it's like a dog that doesn't get attention and leaves a "surprise" for you to clean up. The answer for the dog is to get it involved in healthy relationships. Same thing when a human leaves "poo" around on the Internet - by ignoring them you are forcing them to ammend their behavior and to find ways to create healthy relationships.

[meBNme]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Some are concerned about rckrt's feelings. What about the trail of spiritual dead bodies he has left? I know the dangers of this attitude.

If the upci took on legalism 40 years we wouldn't have talk of 2,000 ministers leaving an organization today.

If there weren't so much gossiping, murmuring, assuming, and exaggerating going on we wouldn't have talk of 2000 ministers leaving either.

And thats exactly what most of it is.


What about Charles Mahaney, he is staying UPC right? anyone know?

[tv1a]

Most of them would have been gone if legalism was challenged years ago instead of ignored.

Originally Posted by meBNme

If there weren't so much gossiping, murmuring, assuming, and exaggerating going on we wouldn't have talk of 2000 ministers leaving either.

And thats exactly what most of it is.


What about Charles Mahaney, he is staying UPC right? anyone know?

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by meBNme

If there weren't so much gossiping, murmuring, assuming, and exaggerating going on we wouldn't have talk of 2000 ministers leaving either.

And thats exactly what most of it is.


What about Charles Mahaney, he is staying UPC right? anyone know?

Yep he is staying.. he lived the life of a true man of God and passed from this life and he was upc...

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by jrLA

I have to say that I am appalled by this! I knew Jim Yohe personally, he was a friend of mine. This is so uncalled for. The man was a gift to the Body of Christ. I did not always agree with him on everything, but this is beyond acceptable.

My respect for Reckart, if there was any left, has just ended! Not that I really had any for him! But wow.....

I only about Jim after discovering his web site a year or two ago. I was reading the message boards and waiting for updates, only to discover he was dead. I would have loved to see him post here!
(Especially after reading some of his writings on the "hair" issue! Hee hee hee)

[tv1a]

If you want to read his heartbeat, get a copy of Believer's Bootcamp.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I only about Jim after discovering his web site a year or two ago. I was reading the message boards and waiting for updates, only to discover he was dead. I would have loved to see him post here!
(Especially after reading some of his writings on the "hair" issue! Hee hee hee)

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Some are concerned about rckrt's feelings. What about the trail of spiritual dead bodies he has left? I know the dangers of this attitude.

If the upci took on legalism 40 years we wouldn't have talk of 2,000 ministers leaving an organization today.

This is too much. While I don't deny legalism can be found in UPC churches, there are plenty who preach against the same.

TV1A, can we also take a critical look at your affiliations? (whatever they may be)