***JG says he's not going anywhere!!***

[Whole Hearted]

What a bunch of hogwash. No one is telling me what to do. I am glad that when I came into a new area and didn't know the churches that there was someone to fill me in.

These good people don't tell me what to do and neither do you. I will do as I wish. I might stay and I might go, but either ways it's none of your business.

[PastorD]

Shhhhh........

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I think your attitude stinks.

People know what is going on. They have come to me telling me what they have heard.

When I first came here my youth p=leader came to me and told me of so thing happening and a certain youth conf. and said"we don't sup[port that and we don't take our youth there." He also informed me of churches in the area that were loose and that this church didn't fellowship.

People know what is going on and for a pastor to think that they don't is foolish. They know. All my trustees have come to me and ask me "what are we going to do?" I tell them we are going to do nothing right now, but be still.

Wow...I'm not impressed at all by this youth leaders arrogance and blatant attitude of "we will control the preacher" and "we will establish from the get go that if you try to change us there will be consequences for you"....

The only way to explain this is to admit the hard nosed saints control the pulpit in your church...no wonder they are trying to force your hand to make a decision....I have a feeling they are talking behind your back concerning whether ir not they will support you if you don't go their way...

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I think your attitude stinks.

People know what is going on. They have come to me telling me what they have heard.

When I first came here my youth p=leader came to me and told me of so thing happening and a certain youth conf. and said"we don't sup[port that and we don't take our youth there." He also informed me of churches in the area that were loose and that this church didn't fellowship.

People know what is going on and for a pastor to think that they don't is foolish. They know. All my trustees have come to me and ask me "what are we going to do?" I tell them we are going to do nothing right now, but be still.

Typical stuff, you disagree, therefore your attitude stinks, from on both sides of the issue. This is good old fashioned UPC banter...for what it is worth.

Anyway, Hole hearted, I have seen folks do exactly what you are saying here, in fact, you could very well be the one I am talking about round these parts.

It is so comforting how that folks believe, conservative and ultraconservative people no-less, that it is better to boycott, than to change the situation/institution/movement from the inside out.

Kinda reminds me of a certain flightless bird with a pea-sized brain that believes that because his head is surrounded by sand and it is dark and cold, the problem or threat does not exist up on the surface.

Hey, CC1, Nice Boots ya got there...!!!!

[timlan2057]

LOL.

Who'da thunk it?

These ultracons are always harping about these "board-run" churches and that they run their churches like some kind of almighty king.

And come to find out Wholehearted/OldTime Preacher is told who he can fellowship and who he can't by his "trustee board" and youth leader.

Talk about cards ... he'll probably lose his card in the ultracon club.

Sounds like he's a puppet on a string.

[rgcraig]

Wholehearted,

Just a question for clarification. You said you didn't know the churches in your area. So, did you know your youth pastor or trustees before you went there?

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

What a bunch of hogwash. No one is telling me what to do. I am glad that when I came into a new area and didn't know the churches that there was someone to fill me in.

These good people don't tell me what to do and neither do you. I will do as I wish. I might stay and I might go, but either ways it's none of your business.

What do you mean, "No one is telling me what to do." You are the one that said, "My youth leader came and told me we don't do this and we don't go there...blah, blah, blah....."

Is he still your YL? Does he still dictate to you who you can fellowship with and what events your church can go to?

[Pastor G]

O WOW... I can only imagine what kind of message WH's saints are going to hear tomorrow...

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

O WOW... I can only imagine what kind of message WH's saints are going to hear tomorrow...

HA!! You think that AFF has any kind of influence on what ministers preach?

Man, you thinketh too highly of us.

[Coonskinner]

I imagine Whole Hearted is a lot smarter than to allow his Sunday sermon to be dictated by some people on a message board.

Give me a break.