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Old 11-07-2007, 10:40 PM
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Are you saying Faith is a Verb???????????????????? Adino listen up faith is a verb.
I would think words like faith, belief, and trust would be nouns.
Words like believe and trust would be verbs.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:19 PM
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I would think words like faith, belief, and trust would be nouns.
Words like believe and trust would be verbs.
Sam, I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work. God bless.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:51 AM
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What was it that engendered everything everyone "did" in Hebrews 11?

When you correctly answer "faith" you will have conceded to my point that faith is separate and distinct from the acts it engenders.

The obedient actions you speak of are not faith. They are engendered BY faith. They are acts "of" faith.

Q: What engenders an act of faith?
A: FAITH

Faith as the man in John 9:35-38......
Do you believe on the Son of God? Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And the man said, Lord, I believe.
Faith as Thomas in John 20 who said,
"Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." Christ appears and says to Thomas, "...be not faithless, but believing." Thomas then believed and Christ continued, "...because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." The author of John continues, "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."
When one has such a faith begin to exist in his heart he has been "obedient" to the Gospel. Any action subsequently engendered BY this faith in the Gospel is not faith but an "act of faith" like those mentioned in Hebrews 11.

Mimicking the Gospel message by being baptized is not obedience to the Gospel. Baptism is an "act of faith". It is not "obedience" to the Gospel. We are to repent and believe the Gospel message. We are to return to God by trusting in the Gospel of our salvation. Returning to God through acceptance of this Good News is the obedience of faith. Those who are obedient to the Gospel message, i.e., those who accept it with a trusting heart, are subsequently baptized to externally manifest the reality of their heart having become unified with the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Baptism externally dramatizes the heart's unification with the Gospel.

Nothing cloudy here, Ferd. God bless, good to see you again.
So then you would feel comfortable saying that baptism is nothing more than outward sign of an inward grace?
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:09 AM
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So then you would feel comfortable saying that baptism is nothing more than outward sign of an inward grace?
An outward sign of salvation by grace through faith.
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:27 AM
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An outward sign of salvation by grace through faith.
The answer of of a good conscience towards God.
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:53 AM
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I would think words like faith, belief, and trust would be nouns.
Words like believe and trust would be verbs.
This is quite funny. (not that I am trying to argue with you are anything)

But I had a fellow in my Sunday school class that was raised Episcopalian. He went to a church run college and took Greek. The Episcopalian teacher at this seminary said the best way to understand the word was to see it as a verb. That the word lends itself to action. It is not a passive description.

Now I don’t know anything about Episcopalians I don’t know much about Greek. But is sure is funny to me that this guy sees it more like I do than you guys when your theology is closer to him than mine!

LOL! Anyway, that sure is funny to me.
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God bless, good to see you again.
Very good to see you too Adino. it has been a while. I pray all is well with you and yours?
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Just so we are clear, the question is biblical and has a biblical answer.


the question?

Men and brethern what shall we do?

the Answer? well, someone else can share.
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Old 11-08-2007, 09:18 AM
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Just so we are clear, the question is biblical and has a biblical answer.


the question?

Men and brethern what shall we do?

the Answer? well, someone else can share.
How about an answer to this question:

"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

Just so we are clear, the question is biblical and has a biblical answer.

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:30-31)
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Old 11-08-2007, 09:30 AM
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How about an answer to this question:

"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

Just so we are clear, the question is biblical and has a biblical answer.

"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." (Acts 16:30-31)
finish the passage
Acts 16:32-33
32And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
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