Should they leave or stay? - Page 6

AmazingGrace · #51 11-05-2007, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

I remember a young leader in the church feeling a call to start a new church. The pastor told him it was NOT God's will! When he left to start the church anyways, the Pastor lambasted him and his wife from the pulpit!

Within 5 years, this young preacher had a church that was twice the attendance of the original church!

Amen I too have seen this first hand. I went into this a little on another thread a while back but my husbands best friend had begun holding bible studies in his home because they had several family members who had been hurt by the only local church... but they would gladly go to his house. Then when the pastor found out that within the first 2 weeks he had over 40 in attendance he brought the bible studies to an immediate halt!

A few years later the friend came to him and told him he really felt that it was Gods will for him to start a church... it would have been 2 towns away and no where to effect the locals who attended there... the pastor informed him that was the only church that part of Ms. needed and it was NOT Gods will! The next service we were all torn apart from the pulpit all who were related or affiliated with this friend of ours! Then he and his wife were called reprobates pretty much any other name known or possible...

It is now 4 yrs later and he is running that church 2 towns away and 99% of the other pastors church is there too and its running about 60-75 and its only been an established church for 4 mos.

Scott Hutchinson · #52 11-05-2007, 08:55 AM

A true Spiritual leader would rejoice that ministers that under their charge are having success reaching new people.

StillStanding · #53 11-05-2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted View Post
You'd be surprised how often this happens. People here fail to tell of how preacher and their famiies have been done dirty by so called saints.

I could tell you horror stories about that,

Does that mean that most saints are terrible, horrible, controlling people . No

You are correct about some "saints" abusing the pastors! I grew up in a pastor's home!

But, how the pastor chooses to respond separates the great ones from the bad ones!

freeatlast · #54 11-05-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

In this situation, the paster knew of the young preacher's potential. He had plans to use the young man's leadership abilities to help grow his church.

In my opinion, the pastor knew that it would be a huge loss for his church, so he told the young preacher that it wasn't God's will!

My point is that the PREACHER's WILL was made to be GOD's WILL!

Yup..... I got your point.

at my old church it was very difficult to get permission to go to bible school.

Talented preachers were not allowed to preach out.

Why? same reason PM. They were expected to help grow the kingdom of God.

It seemed to be more the preachrs kingdom.

When retirement time came he orchestrated putting his son in law in as pastor.

SIL took over 200 K out of the church his last year there before resigning, and most of the year he didn't even preach. he had an evangelist in for most of the year who got paid more than most pastors on this forum made.

They were paid off in a nice building, but are now gouing deep in debt to build a building twice the size of the one that was no where near filled up.

So glad I escaped when I did. Went to assit a nieghboring pastor. I had to leave against the WILL of THE pastor...but I have never doubted GOD WILL was in my move.

Whole Hearted · #55 11-05-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Yup..... I got your point.

at my old church it was very difficult to get permission to go to bible school.

Talented preachers were not allowed to preach out.

Why? same reason PM. They were expected to help grow the kingdom of God.

It seemed to be more the preachrs kingdom.

When retirement time came he orchestrated putting his son in law in as pastor.

SIL took over 200 K out of the church his last year there before resigning, and most of the year he didn't even preach. he had an evangelist in for most of the year who got paid more than most pastors on this forum made.

They were paid off in a nice building, but are now gouing deep in debt to build a building twice the size of the one that was no where near filled up.

So glad I escaped when I did. Went to assit a nieghboring pastor. I had to leave against the WILL of THE pastor...but I have never doubted GOD WILL was in my move.

Why in the world would a pastor want the headache and stress of a building program when it wasn't needed.

I don't understand why any pastor wouldn't want good young men to come out of his ministry.

Doesnt make sense to me.

MissBrattified · #56 11-05-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

In this situation, the paster knew of the young preacher's potential. He had plans to use the young man's leadership abilities to help grow his church.

In my opinion, the pastor knew that it would be a huge loss for his church, so he told the young preacher that it wasn't God's will!

My point is that the PREACHER's WILL was made to be GOD's WILL!

I knew a minister once who misquoted this scripture from the pulpit (on several occasions, not just once):

I Corinthians 14:32 "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets."

...saying instead, "...the spirit is subject to the prophet.",

and then using the misquote to state that he could prophesy something "upon" someone, and God would honor the prophecy and bring it to pass, because the "spirit was subject to the prophet." E.g., he could curse someone and God would honor the curse.

freeatlast · #57 11-05-2007, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Why in the world would a pastor want the headache and stress of a building program when it wasn't needed.

I don't understand why any pastor wouldn't want good young men to come out of his ministry.

Doesnt make sense to me.

Yeah..but we just preacher bashing wholeheated;

What do you call it when YOU are under men that act as Lords over Gods heritage.

freeatlast · #58 11-05-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Why in the world would a pastor want the headache and stress of a building program when it wasn't needed.

I don't understand why any pastor wouldn't want good young men to come out of his ministry.

Doesnt make sense to me.

I was told he could'nt get along without my tithe if took a leave of absence from my job to go to college.

Greed and selfisness might be the reasons, that a pastor wanted to hoard the talent to build his own kingdom/church, instead of allowing God to use people in HIS KINGDOM.

Digging4Truth · #59 11-05-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Wasn't Saul ANNOINTED leader of the nation?

I wouldn't say he was anointed. Especially would I not say he was anointed by God.

First... God took it as a rejection of Himself when they made the demand for a king.

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1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
1Sa 8:8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
1Sa 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

He warned them of how the king they wanted so badly was going to treat them.

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1Sa 8:10 And Samuel told all the words of the LORD unto the people that asked of him a king.
1Sa 8:11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint [them] for himself, for his chariots, and [to be] his horsemen; and [some] shall run before his chariots.
1Sa 8:12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and [will set them] to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
1Sa 8:13 And he will take your daughters [to be] confectionaries, and [to be] cooks, and [to be] bakers.
1Sa 8:14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, [even] the best [of them], and give [them] to his servants.
1Sa 8:15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
1Sa 8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put [them] to his work.
1Sa 8:17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
1Sa 8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.
1Sa 8:19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

And when Saul was made King... here is the terminology.

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1Sa 11:15 And all the people went to Gilgal; and there they made Saul king before the LORD in Gilgal; and there they sacrificed sacrifices of peace offerings before the LORD; and there Saul and all the men of Israel rejoiced greatly.
1Sa 12:1 And Samuel said unto all Israel, Behold, I have hearkened unto your voice in all that ye said unto me, and have made a king over you.

He may well have been anointed... but it was by the people.

The making of Saul as King was in no way, shape, form or fashion a pleasing thing before God.

StillStanding · #60 11-05-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

He may well have been anointed... but it was by the people.

The making of Saul as King was in no way, shape, form or fashion a pleasing thing before God.

I agree with your analogy!

I was just trying to yank chains for those who like to play the "touch not mine annointed" card!