(WOW) Letter Against Stephan Hoover & Other UPC pastors!

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Thad, it's the truth and you know it......LOL!

I have the perfect UPC pastor's TV closet in my living room.

It was originally for a Murphy bed (the old-time beds that stored in the wall). I can put my 27" console TV in there and shut the door with ease! Even the plug-in and cable outlet are in there!

And don't forget that they can watch TV shows on their monitors as long as it's through a DVD player.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Let's be clear about the Bereans--they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures for deeper validation of what they heard.

They were not skeptics with a jaundiced view of leadership, looking for ways to refute what they were taught.

Perhaps some skeptics become skeptical because of what the see happen in "leadership". Someones experience with bad leadership can taint their view of all leadership. That would be another good reason for those in positions of leadership to be careful to be upright, just, and true. UPC leadership is not all, and not most by far, bad leadership. There are plenty of good leaders in the UPC and other organizations and most don't get any press and neither are they looking for it. But those that don't have the first clue about being a leader, yet hold a position, can muddy the waters for all and often gain too much attention.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Let's be clear about the Bereans--they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures for deeper validation of what they heard.

They were not skeptics with a jaundiced view of leadership, looking for ways to refute what they were taught.

Exactly...

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Exactly...

I'm glad we agree.

I've seen a lot of nasty attitudes justified under the term "Berean."

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I'm glad we agree.

I've seen a lot of nasty attitudes justified under the term "Berean."

I can agree with that!

[Hoovie]

Thad, I am not much in favor of TV, Football or even Birth Control!

So, some of the arguements in this letter make sense to me on a personal level.

But when I do watch a TV program (not often and usually on the net) I deem worthy of my time, I certainly do not want to be reprimanded because of the media type. I can get porn on my cell phone.

Have we forgotten Bro Urshan appearing on the Walter Martin show? Is it not totally and wholly an issue about content and the time consumed in viewing etc?

I think watching football in a sancturary is a bad idea. The problem is it did happen and likely will again whether or not TV is "legit".

As to Wife Swap - I doubt the author of that letter saw the Hoover/Meeks show. I am not saying that he should have or that he should even watch any TV. But here is what someone (Hirschorn Exectutive V P of VH1) who did watch it had to say...

THE CASE FOR REALITY TV
BY MICHAEL HIRSCHORN

“Value systems are smashed into each other, like atoms in an accelerator, on ABC’s Wife Swap, where the producers find the most extreme pairings possible: lesbian mommies with bigots, godless cosmopolites with Bible thumpers. On one February show, a Pentecostal family, the Hoovers, was paired with the family of a former pastor, Tony Meeks, who has turned from God to follow his rock-and-roll dreams (mom Tish rocks out as well). “I feel by being there,” Kristin Hoover said, “I was able to remind Tony that God still loves him and is not finished with him.” The episode took seriously the Hoovers’ commitment to homeschooling and their rejection of contemporary culture (a rejection not taken to the extreme of declining an invitation to appear on reality TV). Compare this with the tokenism of “born-again Christian” Harriet Hayes on NBC’s dramedy Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Harriet’s but a cipher, a rhetorical backboard against which ex-boyfriend Matt Albie can thwack his heathen wisecracks.”

[Thad]

hoover, what do you say about his comments about you going on wife swap?

you didn't address that one

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Thad

hoover, what do you say about his comments about you going on wife swap?

you didn't address that one

So now we have talent contest at national events and promote the sin of emulation. We have youth appearing on television with the most ungodly of people. Even in recent days a Pentecostal Family was involved with the TV’s “Wife Swap” program (with nearly 9 million weekly viewers). In another flagrant violation of the manual and another blow to the desired unity one of our pastors and his wife were guest on the “Dave Letterman Show”.

Here is a portion of an interview produced by Kent d Cury concerning the Wife Swap Program on his website 90&9.

“A majority of Apostolic viewers felt the producers were even-handed in their presentation, showing the emptiness of family life for the punk rockers and the regimentation within the Apostolic family, as well as the positives in both families.
Despite the pressures, Kristin was able to share her genuine love for God and a godly compassion in many scenes, though Steve was often portrayed as an inflexible patriarch protecting his children.”


The Wife Swap comments are accurate. Unless the author is aluding something when have says "In another flagrant violation of the manual" -- The manual does not apply to me - I don't know that I even have one.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So now we have talent contest at national events and promote the sin of emulation. We have youth appearing on television with the most ungodly of people. Even in recent days a Pentecostal Family was involved with the TV’s “Wife Swap” program (with nearly 9 million weekly viewers). In another flagrant violation of the manual and another blow to the desired unity one of our pastors and his wife were guest on the “Dave Letterman Show”.

Here is a portion of an interview produced by Kent d Cury concerning the Wife Swap Program on his website 90&9.

“A majority of Apostolic viewers felt the producers were even-handed in their presentation, showing the emptiness of family life for the punk rockers and the regimentation within the Apostolic family, as well as the positives in both families.
Despite the pressures, Kristin was able to share her genuine love for God and a godly compassion in many scenes, though Steve was often portrayed as an inflexible patriarch protecting his children.”


The Wife Swap comments are accurate. Unless the author is aluding something when have says "In another flagrant violation of the manual" -- The manual does not apply to me - I don't know that I even have one.

well you must be mighty important for a dist. Supt to include you and your happenings in his letter don't you think??

I mean.... what is your take on this?? what is comment on the fact that HE is upset over it ??? does he have just cause or not?? ask your wife too thanks

[dizzyde]

[QUOTE=Stephen Hoover;252053]Thad, I am not much in favor of TV, Football or even Birth Control!

So, some of the arguements in this letter make sense to me on a personal level.

But when I do watch a TV program (not often and usually on the net) I deem worthy of my time, I certainly do not want to be reprimanded because of the media type. I can get porn on my cell phone.

Which is exactly why, in my opinion, TV is moot issue in this day & age. Anyone who has high-speed internet access has TV and a whole lot worse. It comes down to accountability, and if our churches don't realize this, and start addressing that issue, they will have a whole lot more to worry about than just TV. And probably already do. I am not for TV (necessarily) nor am I trying to promote it, but it is just a medium, and we as pentecostals (yes, that is what I am, for lack of a more definitive term) have got to grow up, and stop having to be led by the hand every hour of the day.