Communism vs Christianity

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Here's were Christianity and Communism go their separate ways........Communism as practiced by fallible human beings demands and would force adherence, Christianity bids and even compels all come and follow Christ, but does not force adherence.

this is where you are wrong...

in a truely socialistic/communist (as in following the theory) society no one is forced to join, everyone willingly joins (see: the early Church)

in modern Communist goverments this is not the case, but those governments don't follow socialist ideals, so they are not truely communistic... they are just dictators with a new name...

Originally Posted by Ferd

this is one of the very big differences. even when applied in theory Communism starts with "if everyone will" by the nature of mankind, this is doomed to failure because man is falible..

but beyond that though, is the evil that seeks to replace God with mankind.


Where Communism says something about feeding the poor, this isnt comunism, it is christianity that has been usurped for the purpose of raising a false anti-christ system to supplant Christianity.

no, this is where you are wrong and I can't believe your middle school history classes didn't show you how wrong this is...

socialism and Marxist theory was brought forth to replace CAPITALISM, not Christianity...

capitalism is evil, and if anything the Bible is staunchly against capitalism entirely and, if you really look at it... The Bible would support communism (see: the theory, not the execution (lie) of modern governments who claim to be communist) over capitalism...

socialism is generosity and giving... capitalism is greed and selfishness...

that is why people say Jesus was a communist...

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Isn't there some scripture that says "If a man wants to eat he should work" ?[Weaver paraphrase]

yes... but what does the Bible say about the people who work and still can't eat??? (because there are people like that, especially in modern societies)

[OP_Carl]

Don't feed the troll

He's already thoroughly discredited himself.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

Yeah, I'm trying to get the point about 2 different communisms about, too...

Basically my point is that her post was against the IDEAL of communism (your lowercase one), but all of her reasoning against it was against the specific modern governments of Communism (your uppercase)...

The mistake is that, if anything, Jesus would support communism (lowercase) and be against Communism (uppercase)... but the reason He would be against Communism (uppercase) is becaue they aren't what they claim to be... instead of being egalitarian (good), they are totalitarian (bad)

Yes. And see (to perceive by the eye; to perceive or detect as if by sight as opposed to a seat of a bishop's office, power, or authority) how that copious use of parentheticals benefits everyone on the board (public electronic forum that allows users to post or read messages or to post or download files and that is accessed by computer over a network [as the Internet] as opposed to a piece of sawed lumber of little thickness and a length greatly exceeding its width) in attaining a greater understanding of one's thoughts.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Don't feed the troll

He's already thoroughly discredited himself.

No, OP_Carl. Dig about him but don't dung him. He does espouse a very noble sentiment - compassion and sharing. I just think we're loosing ourselves in definitions.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yes. And see (to perceive by the eye; to perceive or detect as if by sight as opposed to a seat of a bishop's office, power, or authority) how that copious use of parentheticals benefits everyone on the board (public electronic forum that allows users to post or read messages or to post or download files and that is accessed by computer over a network [as the Internet] as opposed to a piece of sawed lumber of little thickness and a length greatly exceeding its width) in attaining a greater understanding of one's thoughts.

lol yeah...

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

yes... but what does the Bible say about the people who work and still can't eat??? (because there are people like that, especially in modern societies)

It don't say nothing about only having one job. My Grand Dad raised 4 children in the depression by having three jobs. My Dad started selling news papers at age seven to help out.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

It don't say nothing about only having one job. My Grand Dad raised 4 children in the depression by having three jobs. My Dad started selling news papers at age seven to help out.

yes, and that is commendable...

but the fact is that:

A) it is sad that our society is that greedy that that needs to happen... There were people working above your grandfather who could have afforded to give him a little extra so he only had to work one job... but they didn't, why? Because they were greedy... Capitalism BREEDS greed...

B) that isn't possible for everyone... Only so many people who are living in poverty can work 3 jobs before there aren't any extra jobs to go around either...

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

It don't say nothing about only having one job. My Grand Dad raised 4 children in the depression by having three jobs. My Dad started selling news papers at age seven to help out.

Despite their hardships, your father and grandfather benefited from something most people take for granted: freedom. They were free to seek out alternatives.

Millions of people today however are kept in poverty because their governments (and governments around them) won't allow them to participate in the activities that create jobs. They are literally locked up in "refugee camps," and "settlement areas" where there is no newpaper to get a route delivering. They are forbidden by any number of powers from harvesting local resources to establish trade in the name of "environmentalism." Cronyism, tribal racism and corruption keep them from finding employment in the cities. There are some very deplorable conditions that some people are forced to live in. Capitalism and globalization is responsible for some of this; but so is Communism.

It's a sad fact of human life that "the poor you will always have with you..." Some people have cursed Christianity for saying that; as if poverty was invented by Christians. In truth, it's just a realistic appraisal of life.