for me this is real simple. any good carpenter has a tool bag. he will use what tools he needs given the job. he wont ignor one tool because i just doesnt like it if that tool works.
TV is a tool. it isnt the only tool. It doesnt work everywhere. It isnt a replacement for some other tool. it is just a tool.
why arent we using everything at our disposal to do the job?
Amen.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
"I am joined with approximately 20 United Pentecostal churches in the Tampa Bay area in a network of fellowship; together, we are responsible for over three million souls in addition to the 5,000 plus devoted apostolic people we have been blessed with in our area churches. If we planted 200 churches in the next 20 years and motivated all 200 churches to grow to 400 people in attendance, it would be an unprecedented miracle! We would have a grand total of 85,000 people in the Tampa Bay area baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. However, as exciting and seemingly challenging as this goal may be, with this number of apostolic believers, we'd still have a total of 2,915,000 souls headed to a lake of fire because we were unable to share the new birth message with them. "
that is a dangerously sobering thought.
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"I am joined with approximately 20 United Pentecostal churches in the Tampa Bay area in a network of fellowship; together, we are responsible for over three million souls in addition to the 5,000 plus devoted apostolic people we have been blessed with in our area churches. If we planted 200 churches in the next 20 years and motivated all 200 churches to grow to 400 people in attendance, it would be an unprecedented miracle! We would have a grand total of 85,000 people in the Tampa Bay area baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. However, as exciting and seemingly challenging as this goal may be, with this number of apostolic believers, we'd still have a total of 2,915,000 souls headed to a lake of fire because we were unable to share the new birth message with them. "
Didn't you know UPC membership is salvational?
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
Uh..., yep. I would argue it is quite presumptuous though...
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
We are a part, perhaps a very small part, but we are a part of the body.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I think the fellowships problems are deeper than TV... there are so many splinter groups within that don't get along...don't love each other and won't fellowship based on prejudice, pride and level of prosperity... get these issues resolved and TV would be a distant thought...imo..
You are sooooo right my friend. but the real issues never get discussed.
you have almost 10,000 members in the UPCI and less than 3,000 sent in the information for the poll.
if one thousand from each side just forgot, you still have half the fellowship that doesnt think this issue is the important issue.
GC will be attended by less than 50% of the voting members. I suspect the majority could not care less about this issue, they just want an organizatoin that will support them, fellowship them and help them win their cities.
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It is also incredibly presumptuous to think that putting apostolic content on 1 or 2 channels out of 400 is going to reach the WHOLE WORLD.
And I would agree.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
"I am joined with approximately 20 United Pentecostal churches in the Tampa Bay area in a network of fellowship; together, we are responsible for over three million souls in addition to the 5,000 plus devoted apostolic people we have been blessed with in our area churches. If we planted 200 churches in the next 20 years and motivated all 200 churches to grow to 400 people in attendance, it would be an unprecedented miracle! We would have a grand total of 85,000 people in the Tampa Bay area baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. However, as exciting and seemingly challenging as this goal may be, with this number of apostolic believers, we'd still have a total of 2,915,000 souls headed to a lake of fire because we were unable to share the new birth message with them. "
I think the idea is taking responsibility for the souls one is unable to reach because of a reluctance to use progressive technology to do so. I can see where you might derive that meaning, but I can assure you that Matt Maddix is not so much of a "company man" that he believes the UPCI is the only group reaching for souls.
When I think of reaching souls in Tulsa, OK, I don't think of the population, and then divide it by the number of churches, and say something like..well...our church is now only responsible for...25,000 souls. I think we are ALL responsible to reach ALL lost souls that are in our ability to reach.
Finding that meaning in his letter is a stretch is all I'm saying.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
You are sooooo right my friend. but the real issues never get discussed.
you have almost 10,000 members in the UPCI and less than 3,000 sent in the information for the poll.
if one thousand from each side just forgot, you still have half the fellowship that doesnt think this issue is the important issue.
GC will be attended by less than 50% of the voting members. I suspect the majority could not care less about this issue, they just want an organizatoin that will support them, fellowship them and help them win their cities.
Ferd, this may shock you, my TV promoting friend.
Not all 10000 go vote at GC either. Even when 8 years ago in Louisville we were electing a GS to replace NAU, they did not all vote. They did bring in bus loads to try to sway that vote though!
We are starting a sway from the Orignal Post already.
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