Homosexuality Or Legalism--Which Is Worse?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Are you not in the ministry anymore?

No. I resigned over a matter that has been discussed here before. BOOMM seems to wisely want me to keep the discussion off of specifics and personalities.

I confess that I still struggle with anger over the whole thing. But this forum has been good therapy for me. Only a little while back RevDWW's statement would have probably triggered a severe rant from me. Now, however, I am able to see beyond the surface of the post and see the human being behind it.

[tv1a]

Truth is truth no matter who says it. Religion has the mentality that if we disagree with someone everything they say is in error.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Did I say he couldn't or shouldn't? I'm not the AFF police.....

I just find it humorous that someone would use info against the church from such a biased source.

Bob Dylan was not an atheist at the time of his writing that song, thought he might be dysfunctional.......we still all gotta serve somebody.....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

http://www.atheistalliance.org/library/news_011504.php
But maybe she has changed since 2004.......

Or maybe that link has. I don't get anywhere with it.

My conversations with her were several years back and did not involve any aspect of religion - just technical matters. One of her books seemed to be at least respectful of "religion" in general.

And again, my views on the "the Church" and "the Apostolic movement" were framed from a life long association with Pentecost that happened long before my introduction to science.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Truth is truth no matter who says it.

I'm in full agreement with you.

Originally Posted by tv1a

Religion has the mentality that if we disagree with someone everything they say is in error.

Religion does not have any mentality, people do. Broad brush statements that would white wash a whole category of people seems prejudicial at best.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Or maybe that link has. I don't get anywhere with it.

My conversations with her were several years back and did not involve any aspect of religion - just technical matters. One of her books seemed to be at least respectful of "religion" in general.

And again, my views on the "the Church" and "the Apostolic movement" were framed from a life long association with Pentecost that happened long before my introduction to science.

My bad. I fixed the link.

So did it take science to show you that some "Pentecostals" are less then Christian and have problems and are imperfect?

[tv1a]

We have so many denominations and sub denominations because of intolerance of certain beliefs. Many denominational splits are over superfulous matters. There are a few exceptions, but not many.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I'm in full agreement with you.

Religion does not have any mentality, people do. Broad brush statements that would white wash a whole category of people seems prestigious at best.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by tv1a

We have so many denominations and sub denominations because of intolerance of certain beliefs. Many denominational splits are over superfulous matters. There are a few exceptions, but not many.

Again we agree.

By the way my post should have read prejudicial instead of prestigious.....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

My bad. I fixed the link.

So did it take science to show you that some "Pentecostals" are less then Christian and have problems and are imperfect?

No. Again, I became dissillusioned with our traditional approach to things long before I found better ways of understanding the world. This was part of my problem- one of despair.

When everything I knew to be "right" was suddenly in question I had no alternatives to replace it with. The rug was completely pulled out from under me and my worldview came crashing down.

I did go through a brief period of exploring atheism and modern existentialism. I would describe that as a period of time looking into inky darkness. It wasn't satisfying emotionally or intellectually. Then my readings of people like Stephen Pinker (formerly MIT recently moved to Harvard "The Blank Slate") and Christian de Dove's ("Vital Dust") kind of brought me full circle again.

The scientific case for Christianity is there, however the "traditional" apologetics that we have used is deficient. Leaning on "scientific creationism" and the newer Moony funded ID movement (The Discovery Institute) will cause your world to come crashing down as well.

After all of that... In answer to your question, it took science to build up my faith after it was shattered by "some "Pentecostals"".

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. Again, I became dissillusioned with our traditional approach to things long before I found better ways of understanding the world. This was part of my problem- one of despair.

When everything I knew to be "right" was suddenly in question I had no alternatives to replace it with. The rug was completely pulled out from under me and my worldview came crashing down.

I did go through a brief period of exploring atheism and modern existentialism. I would describe that as a period of time looking into inky darkness. It wasn't satisfying emotionally or intellectually. Then my readings of people like Stephen Pinker (formerly MIT recently moved to Harvard "The Blank Slate") and Christian de Dove's ("Vital Dust") kind of brought me full circle again.

The scientific case for Christianity is there, however the "traditional" apologetics that we have used is deficient. Leaning on "scientific creationism" and the newer Moony funded ID movement (The Discovery Institute) will cause your world to come crashing down as well.

After all of that... In answer to your question, it took science to build up my faith after it was shattered by "some "Pentecostals"".

Was it your lack of trust in God or your trust in men that was the root of the collapse when the rug was pulled out from under you?

Why don't you think the Intelligent Design movement has a legit case?

[tv1a]

Care to give a brief description of each book?

Originally Posted by pelathais

No. Again, I became dissillusioned with our traditional approach to things long before I found better ways of understanding the world. This was part of my problem- one of despair.

When everything I knew to be "right" was suddenly in question I had no alternatives to replace it with. The rug was completely pulled out from under me and my worldview came crashing down.

I did go through a brief period of exploring atheism and modern existentialism. I would describe that as a period of time looking into inky darkness. It wasn't satisfying emotionally or intellectually. Then my readings of people like Stephen Pinker (formerly MIT recently moved to Harvard "The Blank Slate") and Christian de Dove's ("Vital Dust") kind of brought me full circle again.

The scientific case for Christianity is there, however the "traditional" apologetics that we have used is deficient. Leaning on "scientific creationism" and the newer Moony funded ID movement (The Discovery Institute) will cause your world to come crashing down as well.

After all of that... In answer to your question, it took science to build up my faith after it was shattered by "some "Pentecostals"".