I know several black men who are licensed with the UPCI and they have facial hair, but I have yet to meet one white brother licensed with facial hair!
My ex was clean shaven (he wasn't licensed, to clarify) but when he quit teaching SS, he grew a goatee.
The pastor said something to him about it and my ex said, 'Brother, the Bible says nothing about having facial hair,' to which the pastor replied, 'No, but it makes you look like a Trinitarian!'
I wondered why that pastor saw Jesus and the other men of the Bible as looking like Trinitarians just because they had facial hair............
No, I'm Scot-Irish-Bohemian. I know of a couple of black ministers who grew their facial hair years after going before their boards. I know I couldn't be the only one who actually had a beard when he applied.
I was applying for re-admittance - (long story) which I later withdrew. It was because of an unjust accusation that I wanted my board to scrutinize me. They were kind to me and they were very fair, and I was approved. I just had to submit a new application due to a change in the board during the one year "inspection" period (which then dragged out to 2 years). I love these men and most of them are considered "conservatives." In fact one was named in Thomas Fudge's book as being particularly "conservative." But they're fair and open minded. They use the Bible a lot for counsel and not the traditions of others.
So to clarify, I’m a “white guy” who was approved for license (or re-licensure) but then I didn’t follow through because my motive in seeking approval was simply to clear my name. But in the process, I became the only one that I know of that was “approved” with a beard on his face. I’m probably not the only one. I’m just wondering if there are others.
Actually, he's the one that never had a razor come to his head, if you read the book of Judges you would see that. Just so you know, there is a difference between a razor and scissors.
Actually, he's the one that never had a razor come to his head, if you read the book of Judges you would see that. Just so you know, there is a difference between a razor and scissors.
No, I'm Scot-Irish-Bohemian. I know of a couple of black ministers who grew their facial hair years after going before their boards. I know I couldn't be the only one who actually had a beard when he applied.
I was applying for re-admittance - (long story) which I later withdrew. It was because of an unjust accusation that I wanted my board to scrutinize me. They were kind to me and they were very fair, and I was approved. I just had to submit a new application due to a change in the board during the one year "inspection" period (which then dragged out to 2 years). I love these men and most of them are considered "conservatives." In fact one was named in Thomas Fudge's book as being particularly "conservative." But they're fair and open minded. They use the Bible a lot for counsel and not the traditions of others.
So to clarify, I’m a “white guy” who was approved for license (or re-licensure) but then I didn’t follow through because my motive in seeking approval was simply to clear my name. But in the process, I became the only one that I know of that was “approved” with a beard on his face. I’m probably not the only one. I’m just wondering if there are others.
While I certainly don't know everyone who's ever held a license, you are the only white man with facial hair to be accepted that I know of.
Of course, I know a few white women who are licensed and have facial hair, but I won't name any names!! LOL!
And don't tell LadyRev that you found out she's a licensed minister with facial hair too!
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Actually, he's the one that never had a razor come to his head, if you read the book of Judges you would see that. Just so you know, there is a difference between a razor and scissors.
It seems to be a distinction without a difference in so far as the experience of the Old Testament Nazarite was concerned.
Numbers 6 describes how the head was to be shaved and the "dedicated" hair - that is the hair that grew during the period of the Nazarite vow, was to be offered unto the Lord. The Jewish Encyclopedia makes it clear that the language involved was understood that neither scissor nor razor was to cut the hair of the Nazarite, so long as the vow was in effect.
Since Samson was to have been a Nazarite from his mother's womb (Judges 13:5) it stands to reason that he was expected to never cut his hair. The "dedicated" portion of his hair was to have been every hair that ever grew upon his head. Whether he was as careless in that matter as he was in other matters of the vow is unclear. However the incident with Delilah seems to lead the reader to conclude that Samson was diligent in keeping his hair uncut.
We have the habit of trying to impose our early to mid- 20th Century standards and world views upon the practices of the ancient people described in the Bible. This can cause us to miss some the important things that the Bible is trying to tell us. The vow of the Nazarites is one example. Properly understood in its ancient context, we can see how the vow was involved not only in the life of Samson and Samuel, but Absalom (2 Samual 18:9) and David (2 Samual 24:10-17). These two events are rather obscure in their meaning until you understand the rules governing how and why Israel was to go to war.
There are those in modern Israel who admonish their government to be mindful of these very same things today. Israel was specifically forbidden to engage in wars of plunder and conquest beyond the bounds of "ha eretz" (The Land). Thus the recent forays into Lebanon were troubling to some Jewish believers there. Of course the "invasion" was aimed at stopping the rockets and Hezbollah raids into Israel; but many strict fundamentalist types among the Jewish faithful felt that Israeli soldiers should never set foot outside the bounds of "Ha Eretz."
It seems to be a distinction without a difference in so far as the experience of the Old Testament Nazarite was concerned.
Numbers 6 describes how the head was to be shaved and the "dedicated" hair - that is the hair that grew during the period of the Nazarite vow, was to be offered unto the Lord. The Jewish Encyclopedia makes it clear that the language involved was understood that neither scissor nor razor was to cut the hair of the Nazarite, so long as the vow was in effect.
Since Samson was to have been a Nazarite from his mother's womb (Judges 13:5) it stands to reason that he was expected to never cut his hair. The "dedicated" portion of his hair was to have been every hair that ever grew upon his head. Whether he was as careless in that matter as he was in other matters of the vow is unclear. However the incident with Delilah seems to lead the reader to conclude that Samson was diligent in keeping his hair uncut.
We have the habit of trying to impose our early to mid- 20th Century standards and world views upon the practices of the ancient people described in the Bible. This can cause us to miss some the important things that the Bible is trying to tell us. The vow of the Nazarites is one example. Properly understood in its ancient context, we can see how the vow was involved not only in the life of Samson and Samuel, but Absalom (2 Samual 18:9) and David (2 Samual 24:10-17). These two events are rather obscure in their meaning until you understand the rules governing how and why Israel was to go to war.
There are those in modern Israel who admonish their government to be mindful of these very same things today. Israel was specifically forbidden to engage in wars of plunder and conquest beyond the bounds of "ha eretz" (The Land). Thus the recent forays into Lebanon were troubling to some Jewish believers there. Of course the "invasion" was aimed at stopping the rockets and Hezbollah raids into Israel; but many strict fundamentalist types among the Jewish faithful felt that Israeli soldiers should never set foot outside the bounds of "Ha Eretz."
Is modern Israel living within the borders set by God through Joshua? IOW is modern Israel a smaller country landwise than the boundaries given it by Joshua?
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While I certainly don't know everyone who's ever held a license, you are the only white man with facial hair to be accepted that I know of.
Of course, I know a few white women who are licensed and have facial hair, but I won't name any names!! LOL!
And don't tell LadyRev that you found out she's a licensed minister with facial hair too!
*GASP* You are in so much trouble!!!!! LOL!!!! That woman is going to KILL you.
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The same nature that says homosexuality is not natural. It is not natural for a man to have long hair. Next!
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
If you observe an older man who has no hair, does he look unnatural or just like an old bald man?
(no offense to you testosterone-fueled chrome domes out there)
If you observe a woman who has no hair, it looks unnatural. Your first thoughts are along the lines of 'burn victim' or 'chemotherapy.' And her first thoughts are to get to the wig store.
It is in a woman's nature to care for and attractively arrange her hair.
It is in a man's nature to ignore his hair, or keep it out of his way.
It is unnatural for a man to consider his hair to be an important part of his public presentation of himself. Most men look at Grandpa and realize that they had better not become too emotionally involved with whatever little hair their creator has been bestowed upon their heads, for this, too, shall pass.
From the dawn of time militaries have recognized the disadvantage of long hair in combat, and have proscribed short hair on soldiers.
In many cultures, men with carefully arranged or longer hair are/were prostitutes, homosexual, or both.
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
How about the hair line????????????? That is nature.
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