Bishop SC Johnson

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

You address this post to me as though I stood in defense of Johnson's error. I have not.

I don't stand in defense of anyone's error.

My only point is that the message of ONE GOD, who is the Lord Jesus Christ, and the revelation of His name and power, is the summit of all truth which must be believed regardless of what other error one might have.

No need assuming that I judge in any of the lesser matters of error, I do not. But without question I will tell you that believing any other way than the truth of ONE GOD and all it implies, which includes baptism will not accrue to that soul any state of eternal felicity.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Certainly I would not judge anyone in their style of hosiery or any other foolishness as Freeatlast has implied that I do. I do not make such judgments. It is unfortunate that implication was made of me. Goodness knows that I have too much wrong with me to judge another.\

The one thing that I definitely make judgment on is the absolute neccesity of the KNOWLEDGE of ONE GOD in the heart of man who says "one God" with their lips and believes it in their heart.

That is an inescapable truth that must be acknowledge by faith. Everything else is lost, regardless of all this other stuff apart from the issue that freeatlast raised. In those things, I cannot be a judge because I recognize my own lack though I may not know where all my lack lies.

The implication was of all of us, not you alone Br Strange.
I know you don't teach the hoisery issue, that was this Johnson fellow being discussed here.

You stated earlier that he did have some weird teachings (back on page three)

You seemed to dodge the question asked of you how God could annoint the man so when he had so many other thing's he preached that were ..well a bit weird?

You siad it could'n t be explained.

That seems to me like what we so often do with "our own". We just tolerate what they are wrong on because we agree with them on ONE thing.

No Br Strange..it's not just you..it's you and me...all of us probably

Hopefully it's Jesus too.

[DividedThigh]

i sure am glad jesus tolerates me, dt

Originally Posted by freeatlast

The implication was of all of us, not you alone Br Strange.
I know you don't teach the hoisery issue, that was this Johnson fellow being discussed here.

You stated earlier that he did have some weird teachings (back on page two)

You seemed to dodge the question asked of you how God could annoint the man so when he had so many other thing's he preached that were ..well a bit weird?

You siad it could'n t be explained.

That seems to me like what we so often do with "our own". We just tolerate what they are wrong on because we agree with them on ONE thing.

No Br Strange..it's not just you..it's you and me...all of us probably

Hopefully it's Jesus too.

Thanks for the clearer explanation.

But, it must be known that there are some things about "us" that I will never be able to explain in this life...maybe not in the next one either.

That's not a dodge. That is just being honest and transparent.

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i sure am glad jesus tolerates me, dt

Me too.

I'm sure if he was less tolerant that I would get the ol' boot before you got it. Too much wrong with me. I try to confess all, but I often either run out of time or fall asleep.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Me too.

I'm sure if he was less tolerant that I would get the ol' boot before you got it. Too much wrong with me. I try to confess all, but I often either run out of time or fall asleep.

we both need him brother, especially me, i usually look at it the way Paul did, i am the chief of sinners, and pray harder, god bless you, i am glad i got on here just so i could know you again after 30 years, dt

[Amos]

Bishop Johnson was obviously off on some things regarding modesty and outward adornment. I don't think most of us would argue with that.

But that is not on par with things that determine whether a man enters the Kingdom or not.

Until the New Birth, you are not a part of the Kingdom of God, and haven't even seen it yet. So at that point, regardless of what you may or may not know or be right about, you are lost.

The New Birth is the dividing line between darkness and light.

A born again person can be wrong in some areas and still be saved, but a trinitarian is not born again, and is leading others into damnable error.

that is why the comparison between the two is not a valid one.

[Amos]

You can be absolutely correct in all your views on eschatology.

You can have perfect understanding about Melichezedek.

You can be dead square on every issue of modesty, separation, and holiness.

You can be sweet and kind, nice to the waitresses, not fat, and never wear jean skirts or Keds tennis shoes.

But if you aren't born of water and Spirit, you are as lost as two boys kissing.

Originally Posted by Amos

Brother Strange,

This is what I am learning around here...

Trinitarians are saved.

People that baptize in the titles are saved.

People who don't receive the Holy Ghost, yea, who don't even believe you can receive the Holy Ghost, they're all saved.

Pretty much everybody is saved except an Apostolic preacher who preaches any standard not specifically spelled out in the New Testament in a minimum of two or three places.

So, sad as it seems, in the great judgment bar of AFF, Jerry Falwell is walking on golden streets, while S.C. Johnson is in hell.

Go figure.

This post may well become one of my favorites... GREAT post dealing with a fact I've lamented for a while.

More BOLD lettering deserved, indeed!

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Amos

You can be absolutely correct in all your views on eschatology.

You can have perfect understanding about Melichezedek.

You can be dead square on every issue of modesty, separation, and holiness.

You can be sweet and kind, nice to the waitresses, not fat, and never wear jean skirts or Keds tennis shoes.

But if you aren't born of water and Spirit, you are as lost as two boys kissing.

that is gross, but true, ewww, dt

Just to clarify my stance...

Whatever other nutty stuff that Bishop Johnson believed as far as standards are concerned that are unscriptural, including the cotton stockings doctrine, I want it understood that I DO give the Bishop a pass, in my own judgment.

On the other hand, regardness of the correctness of all the other things a person believes, except they are born again of the water and of the Spirit, KNOWING and acknowledging ONE GOD, they are LOST, inspite of their correctness in everything else.

Give me a ONE GOD preacher who may or may not be wrong about some things over a Trinitarian preacher regardless of his correctness in everything else. The latter will send you to hell, while the former will guide you safely beyond the gates of pearl.