divine flesh and original sin

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

She CONCIEVED that is a fact! The Holy Ghost did the conception that is a fact! Thus the sperm came from God that is a fact. NO sexual encounter a miracle. Mary [JESUS] was the seed of Abraham from His mother. He was the Son of God from His Father. GOD was His Father.

How is this contrary to the doctrine of divine flesh?

[sola gratia]

Uggh!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

By and large I agree... Pretty simple really

(Matthew 1:20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

okay Mary did in fact conceive... now then from whom

"for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

How much easier can it be... the Father of the Christ Child...is the Holy Spirit

its right here... no other seed, or whatever was used... He fathered the child.. in a miraculous manner...... Hello!!!

That is the truth.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is the truth.

I think he's implying also there was no divine created sperm or blood impregnating Mary.. Elder.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

How is this contrary to the doctrine of divine flesh?

The doctrine of Divine Flesh says Mary was NOT His mother and Jesus had no biological link to Mary.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The doctrine of Divine Flesh says Mary was NOT His mother and Jesus had no biological link to Mary.

Perhaps ... but yours is a twist on the original heresy.

Originally Posted by sola gratia

By and large I agree... Pretty simple really

(Matthew 1:20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

okay Mary did in fact conceive... now then from whom

"for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."

How much easier can it be... the Father of the Christ Child...is the Holy Spirit

its right here... no other seed, or whatever was used... He fathered the child.. in a miraculous manner...... Hello!!!

The Holy Ghost fathered a child in a miraculous manner?

Of course the miraculous manner is in the exact way (though very ambiguous) that you have perceived it. That miraculous manner can't be any other way, right? This even though you are not able to convey the idea of WHAT that miraculous manner was.

Did the Holy Ghost create some God sperm out of thin air and put into Mary?

Did the Holy Ghost perform some artificial insemination from the Father in heaven into Mary?

Did the Holy Ghost put Joseph to sleep and while he slept performed artificial insemination?

Again, not looking for a "stretch" as you call it, since according to you it is not true if it is a "stretch." So give it to us to where it is a miraculous operation without a stretch.

Maybe God took some sperm from Abraham of old and kept it in a sperm bank in heaven until the fulness of time? Whadayathink?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

As silly as the doctrine of divine flesh is ... I don't think any proponent of this doctrine will agree with your assessment that they deny that he is our kinsman redeemer ... I'm sure if we had a DFer they would explain to us what they think this means ...

The ironic thing is most DFers believe in PAJC doctrine and are ardent Acts 2:38 ....

Why eat your own?

This is the most disturbing thing about many traditional OPers ... they want to make conclusions for everyone ... Like Trinnies believe in 3 gods ... DFers deny the humanity of Christ, etc.

Is everything about who is PCI and who is PAJC to you?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Jesus was born of the seed of Abraham.

The late Rev. Kenneth Reeves, Lld, Dr. of Jurisprudence, and one of the finest Bible Teachers that I've ever heard, stated that it was IN FACT, the seed of Abraham that was stored in the body of the woman (seed of the woman) passed down from generation to generation until it came forth in Mary.

Too long of a bible study to give it here, but it convinced me beyond all doubt. Though bro. Reeves, my friend in life, is now dead, you may be able to get that tape from his church in Illinois.

I've seen it traced all the way back to David, who was a descendant of Abraham, correct?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Rico

Is everything about who is PCI and who is PAJC to you?

Rico if that's all you got out that post ... YOU'RE NITPICKING AS ALWAYS ... at issue here is the divine flesh doctrine, those that hold similar views, and whether as DM asked "What is the big deal"?

Go play w/ H.O.