Celebrity Preachers

[The Closer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I am opposed to any Preacher thinking he MUST be paid for ministry. We have zero examples of Jesus asking for money. Paul an Apostle who had an annointing FAR GREATER than any Apostolic Preacher alive today acepted offerings but was quite willing to work day and night to not be chargable to the people.

People today have a better way I guess than the examples of scripture.

Sorry MTD you are WAY off base here. You just stated that there are different levels of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God. The anointing is the anointing. Sorry sir your logic doesnt cut it Biblically, may I suggest you go back and read it again, then come and post with us in a few months when you understand the Sprit of God and the Anointing.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Jesus gave these instructions to His disciples:

Luke 10:7 "And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house."

Jesus ministry was supported by the offerings received from His followers:

Luke 8:1-3 "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, 2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, 3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

(NLT) ". . . and many others who were contributing their own resources to support Jesus and his disciples."

I've never met a preacher who didn't work for free when the situation required it.

Well I agree with the spirit of what you are saying. Saints should desire to give to the ministry. Yet in what you posted is not an example of Jesus asking for money. Zip. It is not in scripture.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by The Closer

Sorry MTD you are WAY off base here. You just stated that there are different levels of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God. The anointing is the anointing. Sorry sir your logic doesnt cut it Biblically, may I suggest you go back and read it again, then come and post with us in a few months when you understand the Sprit of God and the Anointing.

Sorry Closer. The annointing can be greater or lesser. All Christians in the first century had the annointing. Yet the Apostles did the mightiest works.

Also Elisha got a DOUBLE PORTION of the annointing Elijah had.

[The Closer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Sorry Closer. The annointing can be greater or lesser. All Christians in the first century had the annointing. Yet the Apostles did the mightiest works.

Also Elisha got a DOUBLE PORTION of the annointing Elijah had.

Oh sorry MTD, you didnt win the prize. If you will give $5 we will give you three more rings to toss and try to win a prize.

Elisha - DOUBLE PORTION - twice the miracles, not twice the power. Dont tell me you would be so foolish to believe that Elijah and Elisha has power with God likened to us having fuel in the tanks of our cars and that Elijah had half a tank and Elisha got a full tank.

As I stated earlier, go and re-read, or maybe read for the first time, the Book and then come back and post with understanding.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well I agree with the spirit of what you are saying. Saints should desire to give to the ministry. Yet in what you posted is not an example of Jesus asking for money. Zip. It is not in scripture.

I'm sorry, but I don't really have the time to argue concepts from the silence of Scripture. We can agree that Jesus and Paul received offerings and support from their followers, and, if you want to contend from silence that Jesus never asked for an offering, you're welcome to. I'd just as soon argue that Jesus never took a bath because there isn't any Scripture for it. Zip. It is not in Scripture.

[Dimples]

Originally Posted by The Closer

Sorry MTD you are WAY off base here. You just stated that there are different levels of the Holy Ghost. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God. The anointing is the anointing. Sorry sir your logic doesnt cut it Biblically, may I suggest you go back and read it again, then come and post with us in a few months when you understand the Sprit of God and the Anointing.

I think The Closure is one good-looking lady!

Originally Posted by Blue Waters

I think The Closure is one good-looking lady!

Sir that is one of the funniest looking women on the face of the earth, her lips dont match her face, come on man if you think she is good looking - oh well I will leave that alone and I guess to each his own.

[Dimples]

Originally Posted by Charles Schultz

Sir that is one of the funniest looking women on the face of the earth, her lips dont match her face, come on man if you think she is good looking - oh well I will leave that alone and I guess to each his own.

You are right - to each his own!

I think it's her long, long hair - - she almost looks UPC!

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Sam

Anybody know what the honorarium is this year for camp meeting evening speaker for a large UPC district?

Originally Posted by The Closer

I for one am not a fan of the magizne from which this little story came from. And from the quote above, I do not know where anybody gets the "right" to ask that kind of question. If the honorarium is approved by those who are set in office to handle such things, then all is well. It is sure not the right of a forum like this to discuss such things, to me this is just totally rude to even think of asking. I will never and never do discuss how much someone is paid, myself or others.

Wow . . . all that over a simple question?

Let's see, if I'm attending a campmeeting that requires a fee for attendance . . . I have every right to ask what those fees are for and what the honorarium is. I've never done it . . . then again, the last time I went to a campmeeting as a camper and had to pay a fee was several years ago when most camp speakers didn't require 5-star rooms, room temp water, a fresh fruit basket, chauffeured transportation, etc as some do now.

Back then, the speakers stayed in the modest speakers quarters and ate with the campers. How times have changed . . .

Originally Posted by Brother Strange
Beecher was Lincoln's preacher, if I rightly recall. He kept the people spell bound as he spoke so eloquently.

Preacher adoration has been with us since the days of Paul. Some said that they were of Paul other said that they were of Cephas. Paul asked them, "so who died for you?"

That adoration is quite normal, expecially when that preacher loved that lost soul to the saving knowledge of He who loves above all. It is not something to be condemned neccessarily, unless it becomes more than the love of God that attaches a soul to a Father figure. I adore brother Kilgore. He is my hero, a father to me. He once told me who his hero is. It is entirely and spiritually natural. The most powerful and productive churches are those in whom their pastor became the father to all. If I were a pastor, I would be a father...as true of a father as I am to my own children. I believe a wise Pastor would seek to become such...through unfeigned love, true devotion and dedicated to a life of service for whom Jesus died.

Just my opinion, of course

From another thread.