Does a Woman letting her hair down summon the power of angels?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by chseeads

If it does, angels must spend a lot of time in the shower....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

You are absolutely right! This is heresy and the actions of occult members. This has got to be the dumbest thing I have seen. I have seen people get faith and try to run through a wall, which did not turn out so well. But the hair thing takes the cake!

Does anyone remember the incident of photocopies hands of a well known Missionary to Thailand and being passed out to everyone and being told to say something like "Pray for us Brother ____"?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I just spoke to my wife about this and she said at one of the UPC AZ district womens conferences that one of the women instructed them to let down their hair and call on the power to come in the place.

I had no clue about that. If I would have known that I would have asked her not to go or not to participate in that because of it not being scriptural or even appropriate.

This is just crazy.

We have pastors here that forbid their members from going to campmeeting because the main speaker actually wears a wedding band....yet I've never heard them speak up about this issue yet and forbid members from going to places where this magic hair doctrine is taught

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

I have a female friend that attended a UPC district in upper state .. and they did it there... she said the woman stated "as I let my hair down angels filled the room" She said it from the platform as a main speaker... she was serious.. Gee doesnt this sound like the hair is doing the work of the supposed Saviour? Consider it for a moment.. think about it... Where does power come from? The cross, or uncut locks?

I heard Bro St...well, never mind. But yes Brother so and so preached this at a singles conf I was at. The title started out having us think he was going to encourage us all to believe God for more things to happen...pretty soon he was teaching on the hair stuff right out of RRs book.

What really got me, beside that, was that he was saying basically that God has given special covering to a woman, she has power and angels protecting her and her family and with out her long hair man is basically toast (for lack of a better word).

That was insane..the chapter teaches man is the head of woman and here they are telling us God gave the woman speacial power, anointing and divine protection that a man does not have unless he marries a woman with long uncut hair!

Sorry but My covering is the blood of Jesus and the blood of Jesus is efficient for ALL things.

I remember hearing a story once of a woman that was accosted by a man who was going to rob her and possibly harm her. She called on the name of Jesus and something happened to the guy like he just fell over...imagine that!? She did not let down her uncut hair, she called on the name of Jesus!

This hair thing bothers me a LOT more than any TV issue. And here is the rub people....I hate to say this but as you know I am quite opinionated and blunt, but I think the reason they hold on to this teaching is MAINLY to convince women NOT to cut their hair. It's like convincing people to tithe based on the threat of being cursed and the promise of being blessed..whether or not that is the case is another topic.

But I think the reason why the heads of the UPC higher ups, who are educated and should know better, don't do anything is because they see this as a gimick that is working to make more women not cut their hair...rather than just rely on what the bible says.

We've been doing this for years, looking for better and better ways to make this doctrine more agreeable to everyone by trying to look at history (look, the jewish women did not cut hair) and using the dictionary and now we have a new hook....it's full of miraculous powers that if you cut it will go away and leave you unprotected to the enemy

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

*DISCLAIMER* I AM NOT PROPOGATING THIS TEACHING; JUST A QUESTION

Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith without works is dead.

Faith with Works=Apostle Paul annointing hankerchiefs and people being healed.

Faith with Works= Women letting down there uncut hair and praying in faith

What is the difference in the two?

They took them from his body, but nothing is said about him anointing the hanky...

However THEY did not teach that if you remove the hanky you lose the power and your family and husband is unprotected. THEY did not teach it as a doctrine. It was a single instance in Acts. It was not a doctrine. See we are not talking about a single act of faith upon a single act of inspiration. We are talking about a movement that teaches this as a doctrine. They do this, not because it's an inspired act of faith but because the are teaching DOCTRINE that the womans uncut hair has power in it and that the woman has some sort of power OVER angels.

They never taught that at all or was it even said that with each hanky they had the ability to summon angels....wow!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Why would they need to let their hair down, it seems to me if someone believed this than anytime they put their hair up, or tied it in a ponytail, or otherwise restrained the hair, it would it would be a sin to them.
Everytime I hear about this it reminds me of that witch with the green face on Bugs Bunny cartoons, every time she flew away on her broom all these hair pins would fly around.




ARPH

Good point....Where does the bible say that when letting it down something happens? This is scary to be honest. It sounds like something pagans would teach

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I heard Bro St...well, never mind. But yes Brother so and so preached this at a singles conf I was at. The title started out having us think he was going to encourage us all to believe God for more things to happen...pretty soon he was teaching on the hair stuff right out of RRs book.

What really got me, beside that, was that he was saying basically that God has given special covering to a woman, she has power and angels protecting her and her family and with out her long hair man is basically toast (for lack of a better word).

That was insane..the chapter teaches man is the head of woman and here they are telling us God gave the woman speacial power, anointing and divine protection that a man does not have unless he marries a woman with long uncut hair!

Sorry but My covering is the blood of Jesus and the blood of Jesus is efficient for ALL things.

I remember hearing a story once of a woman that was accosted by a man who was going to rob her and possibly harm her. She called on the name of Jesus and something happened to the guy like he just fell over...imagine that!? She did not let down her uncut hair, she called on the name of Jesus!

This hair thing bothers me a LOT more than any TV issue. And here is the rub people....I hate to say this but as you know I am quite opinionated and blunt, but I think the reason they hold on to this teaching is MAINLY to convince women NOT to cut their hair. It's like convincing people to tithe based on the threat of being cursed and the promise of being blessed..whether or not that is the case is another topic.

But I think the reason why the heads of the UPC higher ups, who are educated and should know better, don't do anything is because they see this as a gimick that is working to make more women not cut their hair...rather than just rely on what the bible says.

We've been doing this for years, looking for better and better ways to make this doctrine more agreeable to everyone by trying to look at history (look, the jewish women did not cut hair) and using the dictionary and now we have a new hook....it's full of miraculous powers that if you cut it will go away and leave you unprotected to the enemy

Prax, it is all a scare tactic. I do not think that these men and women are trying to get women to stop cutting their hair altogether. I think that the big focus is on the control factor. Men are controlled to a degree. We get out easy, but women get out tough. I even think it goes to the point of men using authority over the women as a point of control. Pastors and leaders are mostly power hungry. What better way to control and feed that hunger than to dictate the hair thing to women.

I know there are some men that feel very strong about the conviction and I am fine with it. But I have a problem when this kind of stuff goes on and glorifies the the individuals attribute (hair) as oppose the King of creation!

It is a horrible thing. Like you were saying in the last part of your statement, we are taught as if they even trim the ends then God removes all the covering and satan can have his way in our families. How crazy is that? But that is what we are taught from a young age. Also do not question the leadership..... Boy do I have stories for ya!

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I heard Bro St...well, never mind. But yes Brother so and so preached this at a singles conf I was at. The title started out having us think he was going to encourage us all to believe God for more things to happen...pretty soon he was teaching on the hair stuff right out of RRs book.

What really got me, beside that, was that he was saying basically that God has given special covering to a woman, she has power and angels protecting her and her family and with out her long hair man is basically toast (for lack of a better word).

That was insane..the chapter teaches man is the head of woman and here they are telling us God gave the woman speacial power, anointing and divine protection that a man does not have unless he marries a woman with long uncut hair!

Sorry but My covering is the blood of Jesus and the blood of Jesus is efficient for ALL things.

I remember hearing a story once of a woman that was accosted by a man who was going to rob her and possibly harm her. She called on the name of Jesus and something happened to the guy like he just fell over...imagine that!? She did not let down her uncut hair, she called on the name of Jesus!

This hair thing bothers me a LOT more than any TV issue. And here is the rub people....I hate to say this but as you know I am quite opinionated and blunt, but I think the reason they hold on to this teaching is MAINLY to convince women NOT to cut their hair. It's like convincing people to tithe based on the threat of being cursed and the promise of being blessed..whether or not that is the case is another topic.

But I think the reason why the heads of the UPC higher ups, who are educated and should know better, don't do anything is because they see this as a gimick that is working to make more women not cut their hair...rather than just rely on what the bible says.

We've been doing this for years, looking for better and better ways to make this doctrine more agreeable to everyone by trying to look at history (look, the jewish women did not cut hair) and using the dictionary and now we have a new hook....it's full of miraculous powers that if you cut it will go away and leave you unprotected to the enemy

As someone mentioned, this type of thing might be documented...."The Magic Hair Doctrine" along with other inconsistencies, unethical actions, and cut-throat religious politics I have witnessed - what a collection of writing that would make for anyone who took the time to assemble it.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Good point....
Where does the bible say that when letting it down something happens? This is scary to be honest. It sounds like something pagans would teach

Why are you so carnal, my servant Praxeas ... Open his eyes, Lord!!!

Look upon the picture again ... and you will see THE ANGELS being unleashed .



And Elisha prayed, "O LORD, open his eyes so he may see." Then the Lord opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by PoorWiddleMe

As someone mentioned, this type of thing might be documented...."The Magic Hair Doctrine" along with other inconsistencies, unethical actions, and cut-throat religious politics I have witnessed - what a collection of writing that would make for anyone who took the time to assemble it. If only I were retired, instead of just tired. If anyone wants to PM me the material you have, I may start compiling it. I would not be doing this to hurt anyone, but to help others see the unBiblical acceptance of these practices. I don't want to call it spiritual abuse - maybe abuse of the spirit or abuse of scripture.

But you see that is what this is, spiritual abuse. Because it is not scriptural abuse altogether, no scripture for it. Maybe closer to abuse of the spirit because they do this because the "spirit leads." But it all boils down to it abusing others. Doing this sets up the person on a pedistal and separates them from everyone else. Sets up Idols, that is what it does.