Reading Fudge's Book Again

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I would venture a guess that a majority of the majority (much greater than just 51%) of Apostolics know anything about the history of the movement, much less care about it.

It has been said that the victors write the history books, therefore which perspective is truth? There is a version from the organization/movement side, and there is a version from those who have left the movement and are strongly on the academic side, and there are those who are simply bitter and don't mind trashing the whole thing.

I know for a fact that J.L. has, in the past, embellished the history of the movement in order to maintain its legacy of posessing truth.

Fudge? I think because of his academic background, he has written the closest work. Boyd?

Can a work be written sans propaganda? Yea, but I can't imagine where it would come from.

This problem I see with Fudges' book is many things are assummptions that are unprovable either way. Like the percentage of PCI men who believed saved at repentance though he has no idea he quotes men who say both ways and then comes up with his own conclusion that he wants. Many of the PCI leaders believers believed salvation at repentance but some did not and the constituent body was diverse as the PAJC was also diverse not as much but was certainly diverse. His bias is clearly seen yet he plummets the official UPC response as bias. But it is a very interesting book indeed I am enjoying rereading it.

[Light]

It doesnt matter what Fudge or any one else write about the history of Pentecost. They can say what they want, tell stories and so on, it matters little.
There has NEVER been a time in history that there hasn't been a Acts 2:38 preacher preaching this wonderful 3 step message. From the day of Pentecost to this very day.

[Mat 16:18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Sam

Bro. Kidson was one of the old timers.
My brother-in-law was a kid going to the UPC Bible School in Houston years ago and met Bro. Kidson. I think it was in a dusty old office that seemed like a time warp.

What is the title of the book?
and do you know if it is still available for sale some where?

I recognize that office, I attended that same Bible College, I think.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Light

There has NEVER been a time in history that there hasn't been a Acts 2:38 preacher preaching...From the day of Pentecost to this very day.

This was a point I questioned in my own mind this morning as I was reading. I have a book by Bro. Arnold which clearly shows a remnant through every century.

Of course, giving Bro. Fudge the benefit of the doubt, he may not have had this info, therefore I will not judge him harshly.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I would venture a guess that a majority of the majority (much greater than just 51%) of Apostolics know anything about the history of the movement, much less care about it.

It has been said that the victors write the history books, therefore which perspective is truth? There is a version from the organization/movement side, and there is a version from those who have left the movement and are strongly on the academic side, and there are those who are simply bitter and don't mind trashing the whole thing.

I know for a fact that J.L. has, in the past, embellished the history of the movement in order to maintain its legacy of posessing truth.

Fudge? I think because of his academic background, he has written the closest work. Boyd?

Can a work be written sans propaganda? Yea, but I can't imagine where it would come from.

I would GLADLY do it if I had all the facts...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Barb

This was a point I questioned in my own mind this morning as I was reading. I have a book by Bro. Arnold which clearly shows a remnant through every century.

Of course, giving Bro. Fudge the benefit of the doubt, he may not have had this info, therefore I will not judge him harshly.

Fudge's book is not about that it concerns the PCI influence in the UPC that he feels has been ignored AND the AS letter that he attacks. Of course he is Anglican but his roots are in NB his father went to a UPC church that I think was of PIC influence.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Barb

This was a point I questioned in my own mind this morning as I was reading. I have a book by Bro. Arnold which clearly shows a remnant through every century.

Of course, giving Bro. Fudge the benefit of the doubt, he may not have had this info, therefore I will not judge him harshly.

Barb,

What is the name of the book by Bro Arnold? I'd like to read it.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Light

It doesnt matter what Fudge or any one else write about the history of Pentecost. They can say what they want, tell stories and so on, it matters little.
There has NEVER been a time in history that there hasn't been a Acts 2:38 preacher preaching this wonderful 3 step message. From the day of Pentecost to this very day.

[Mat 16:18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Hardy ... har ... har ... talk about propaganda.

[Felicity]

It's interesting that I read the book through the first time never thinking about motive or agenda. But then after that point was made over and over and drilled into my head a million times and I went back and reviewed parts of the book then I could see that there might have been some bias.

Regardless, the book is valuable! Very! I don't know if a book recording the OP movement could be written without some sort of bias on the part of the author but regardless I wish there were more written and hope there will be.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Felicity

It's interesting that I read the book through the first time never thinking about motive or agenda. But then after that point was made over and over and drilled into my head a million times and I went back and reviewed parts of the book then I could see that there might have been some bias.

Regardless, the book is valuable! Very! I don't know if a book recording the OP movement could be written without some sort of bias on the part of the author but regardless I wish there were more written and hope there will be.

I think it is a good book from that perspective that is needed. I bought about 25 of them and gave them away. My only regret was he was getting some money from them but you can have everything your way. EF said he knew him as a young man and knew his family. He really enjoyed the book since it has much to do with the Atlantic district where he group up he knew all the men mentioned there.