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07-15-2007, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
There is no question that Jesus is God, but "in the form of God" means He had what "form" at that moment of His existence?
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Why do you say "at the moment of His existence"? Jesus always existed AS God, long before He took the form of a servant. That is what this is telling us
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-15-2007, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
Rhoni, I agree with you that Oneness Pentecostals find it very uncomfortable to freely use the terminology of Scripture in reference to the Godhead.
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Really? Who do you see or hear that is uncomfortable with the terminology of scriptures in reference to the Godhead? That is interesting.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-15-2007, 06:59 PM
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Oh, how much simpler life would be if we could be like my Grandma and simply pray to St Jude for health, Mary the mother of God for most everything else, and the rest to God the Father and once in a great while, Jesus the Son.
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07-15-2007, 08:07 PM
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07-15-2007, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
There is much to think about contained in this thread. Oneness Apostolics, of which I am a PART, seem to be afraid to discuss the issue of the Godhead because they are afraid of the word 'trinity', and triune anything, or they really don't know in their minds what they believe.
The Bible tells us to do all in word or deed in the name of Jesus. To me this settles the question of who to pray to, and who's name to baptize in.
Just like earthly Fathers who transfer the family business to the son, I think God transferred all his power and authority to His only begotten son. The spirit that indwells us is that same spirit that dwells in Christ, the spirit of God which is what makes us also a son of God although we are not begotten but adopted.
I agree that the spirit of God and the Holy Ghost which we possess is genderless, but I think we would all have to agree that Jesus Christ was a male child.
Blessings, Rhoni
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Rhoni,
I agree with you. I postred a reply and my guess is nobody knows how to respond to my understanding.
This one thing is certain, Morman's and JW's they know what they believe.
They stick to the message no matter the distraction.
So someone asked about the Oneness movement is dying out.
I think that many Oneness folks first need to know what it is they believe...
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07-15-2007, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Really? Who do you see or hear that is uncomfortable with the terminology of scriptures in reference to the Godhead? That is interesting.
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I spent 23 years in the UPC and have now been 10 years in the ACOP. I can tell you that in the UPC there is a greater reluctance to speak of God as Father compared to folks in the ACOP. The Fatherhood of God is not a prominent feature of UPC vernacular. Jesus placed great emphasis on the Father. The Apostle Paul placed great emphasis on "God the Father" in his epistles. Are you suggesting that I would hear "God the Father" freely used in UPC circles nowadays?
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07-15-2007, 11:58 PM
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I think that many Oneness folks first need to know what it is they believe...
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Good point. I have been around too many "Oneness" people who argue and debate THEIR version of oneness to even count. And yet nearly everyone felt that if you didn't understand their definition it was goodbye pearly gates.
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07-16-2007, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
I spent 23 years in the UPC and have now been 10 years in the ACOP. I can tell you that in the UPC there is a greater reluctance to speak of God as Father compared to folks in the ACOP. The Fatherhood of God is not a prominent feature of UPC vernacular. Jesus placed great emphasis on the Father. The Apostle Paul placed great emphasis on "God the Father" in his epistles. Are you suggesting that I would hear "God the Father" freely used in UPC circles nowadays?
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I've been UPC for over 20 years and am still attending a UPC and I can tell you I have always referred to God as my Father.
If you hang around MY circles in the UPC yes. I always use the term Father.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-16-2007, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Why do you say "at the moment of His existence"? Jesus always existed AS God, long before He took the form of a servant. That is what this is telling us
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Jesus was both God and man. I was simply distinguishing between His earthly existence and eternal existence. I meant to say "that" moment of His existence, not "the" moment.
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07-16-2007, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
I spent 23 years in the UPC and have now been 10 years in the ACOP. I can tell you that in the UPC there is a greater reluctance to speak of God as Father compared to folks in the ACOP. The Fatherhood of God is not a prominent feature of UPC vernacular. Jesus placed great emphasis on the Father. The Apostle Paul placed great emphasis on "God the Father" in his epistles. Are you suggesting that I would hear "God the Father" freely used in UPC circles nowadays?
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God the Father was a phrase that cannot be found in the OT. No one prayed to God the Father in the OT. God is described as a Father in the OT but not called by the name, Father. Ironically the only one in the OT called Father, as a divine name of God, is the Son to be born in Isa 9:6 ..and his name shall be called ....the Everlasting Father.
God the Father was used by Jesus once in the gospels.
I don't have a problem with it as long as He, God the Father, is not called the first person of the Trinity.
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