The virus and Be Apostolic??

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Bro. Truthseeker,
We have access to the same healings and miracles the Lord did as he walked this earth. As well as you and EB I haven’t seen a person healed from the shadow, but that doesn’t mean it cant happen.

James 4:2-3
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. [3] Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

Let’s ask God to work in the realm of miracles, if we ask is not God faithful to grant us our request?

Not denying miracles happen. That's not the issue

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

2 Corinthians 12:12? Bro, Paul was talking about his church planting work, which included signs and miracles. His main point was his perseverance in building the churches in Asia Minor which the "super apostles" who were just coming around to take up a collection. Let me ask you something if someone told you they had terminal cancer, they had three month to live? They weren't too cool on the doctor route.What would you tell them?

I would try to encourage their faith and believe with them.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They must be your kind of folks? Honestly, no offense, but that is the only way I can answer you. Jesus said mustard seed faith, and Hoss, I hear no faith in these posts.

A must seed of faith, brother.
Have you ever held a mustard seed in your hand?
If Jesus were to mean just a little amount of faith, could he use a mustard seed as an example, or would there be something better to give a good visual of small amount, than that of a mustard seed?


Regarding, “my kind of folks”:
Recently, a visiting minister told everyone in our congregation that if they stood up, by faith God would heal them.

IE of just one, My pastors wife still remains in her wheelchair. (Actually she has been prayed for and anointed with oil several times by several ministers, praying the prayer of faith for her healing). According to your post, it’s because of her lack of faith, no?
So my question to you, my brother in Christ is, did everyone including the minister, (and her) lack faith even as small as a mustard seed of faith, that Jesus said it’s all it takes?


And with this kind of faith, (surely a mustard seeds worth?) why is there still so many diseases and sicknesses in our apostolic churches?


And again I ask, based on Matt. 10, do you believe the apostles had the “ability” to heal at their own will or desire to, based on that authority?
This seems important to answer.



FTR, as I stated, I do believe miracles follow them that believe, when it is God’s will to heal. And it is NOT always Gods will to heal, when someone prays. It seems you would disagree with that.
“Whatever we ask according to His will, He will do it”.


There seems to be a quandary that apostolics have boxed themselves into regarding “we have the same healing power/ability as the apostles”, because they could heal EVERY disease, EVERY time, and we apostolics can’t, or “we” would be doing it. You would be doing it.


Back to another question of pondering, if we as believers all have the power to heal the sick at will, why do we need to call on the elders of the church to annoint with oil, if we “have the goods” to do it?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I would try to encourage their faith and believe with them.

That's good because as Jesus said, as your faith be it unto you. Every single situations my family and I have been in, or church family member. While I'm the pastor of my own home, and elder within my church. It is predicated unto us to encourage faith, to help souls believe that to Jesus all things, not some, but all things. Heal every sickness, why not? That whole jazz about oh, they were only able to pull rabbits out of their hats because they had a special task. Then when they all died, it went back to 1.0. Oh boy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shag

A must seed of faith, brother.
Have you ever held a mustard seed in your hand?
If Jesus were to mean just a little amount of faith, could he use a mustard seed as an example, or would there be something better to give a good visual of small amount, than that of a mustard seed?

Yeah, He could of used an orchid seed. What's your point?

Originally Posted by shag

Regarding, “my kind of folks”:
Recently, a visiting minister told everyone in our congregation that if they stood up, by faith God would heal them.

Well, there you go. They are your folks Here is a guy with zero wisdom telling people who obviously don't believe him ( you are there) and you must of immediately thought nothing was going to happen. So, nothing happened, and why should it. Get up everyone and you will be healed. Jesus said it to a man who had the faith for a healing, and Jesus understood that. Visiting minister who wanted to drop a watermelon? That's your example? Yep, your people. I hit that on the head.

Originally Posted by shag

IE of just one, My pastors wife still remains in her wheelchair. (Actually she has been prayed for and anointed with oil several times by several ministers, praying the prayer of faith for her healing). According to your post, it’s because of her lack of faith, no?

According to the Bible it is "as your faith be it unto you" So, Jesus is followed by blind man, blind man is screaming at him for Jesus to help him, and Jesus asks the guy what does he want? Man says that he wants to see? No mud balls of spit, no wash in the swimming pool. Just as your faith be it unto you? Paul had some folks he didn't heal, and it wasn't Paul's fault or Jesus' fault. We live in a world currently where things supernatural just don't happen. But you guys want to know why churches want to close their doors and hand out hand cleanser Seriously?

Originally Posted by shag

So my question to you, my brother in Christ is, did everyone including the minister, (and her) lack faith even as small as a mustard seed of faith, that Jesus said it’s all it takes?

Bro, the minister was speaking Christianese, to a group of people who sound like they are dryer than toast.

Originally Posted by shag

And with this kind of faith, (surely a mustard seeds worth?) why is there still so many diseases and sicknesses in our apostolic churches?

Mustard seed, bro, the picture you are painting is that they don't have enough to get to blow a nose. Just saying, I mean it sounds pretty slow don at the first church of look at your wrist watch.

Originally Posted by shag

And again I ask, based on Matt. 10, do you believe the apostles had the “ability” to heal at their own will or desire to, based on that authority?
This seems important to answer.

Ministers are called by God, and have their ability from God, but must first have faith in that God. I've seen a lot of cool stuff, so when I see threads from people who are in Pentecostal churches that sound more like starchy Baptists. I understand that they don't see much, or what they had seen even they don't believe it. It doesn't make you a bad guy, so don't take it that way. You just need to get that epiphany, I don't know how you can get that, but Jesus does. How's the prayer life going?

Originally Posted by shag

FTR, as I stated, I do believe miracles follow them that believe, when it is God’s will to heal. And it is NOT always Gods will to heal, when someone prays. It seems you would disagree with that.
“Whatever we ask according to His will, He will do it”.

So, you tell someone with a terminal illness that it is a roll of the dice?

Good God from Zion!

Originally Posted by shag

There seems to be a quandary that apostolics have boxed themselves into regarding “we have the same healing power/ability as the apostles”, because they could heal EVERY disease, EVERY time, and we apostolics can’t, or “we” would be doing it. You would be doing it.

No quandary for the apostolic.

Maybe you need to take the broom, wash bucket, mop, paint cans, and ladder out of the prayer room.

[Esaias]

I do not think this is a subject that can be decided by thinking, debating, reasoning, etc. I think there are too many variables in too many situations for that. I think the real answer is read your Bible, pray for wisdom, be right with God, and believe what He says. If you're right with God then EVERYTHING will be okay, because He's in charge and whatever happens is what your Father wants to happen, and it's for good, and you've already been living in the "not my will but Thine be done" state of mind.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's good because as Jesus said, as your faith be it unto you. Every single situations my family and I have been in, or church family member. While I'm the pastor of my own home, and elder within my church. It is predicated unto us to encourage faith, to help souls believe that to Jesus all things, not some, but all things. Heal every sickness, why not? That whole jazz about oh, they were only able to pull rabbits out of their hats because they had a special task. Then when they all died, it went back to 1.0. Oh boy.

Sigh! You're not grasping my point. Please go review my posts.

[shag]

Elder Benincasa,
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my posts with your thoughts. Regarding my dried up faithless church, we are trying to mature Spiritually. We have men’s and ladies prayer, each 2x a week together, 3 church services a week, church fasting throughout a week once every 3 months, as well as the first week of the year, we meet together in our homes and do bible study, we pray for eachother often, we have sectional rallies w other churches, I myself currently fast(w prayer) for 24 hours every Sunday and will throughout this entire year, try to bible study daily, and pray w intent of connecting w God every morning. I am not where I hope to be in Christ, I’m in a process like many others, trying to genuinely exemplify Christ to the people I come in contact with.
I will sincerely pray that God will show me(and my church) more areas I lack, like faith in miracles happening EVERY time we pray, provided that is His will.
I’m working on “my house”, because it needs a lot of work.

Again, thank you for sharing those thoughts and concerns w me, on faith.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Should we stop preaching God's protection then?

Back to my question, do you think the apostles would cancel a gathering or tell the sick to stay home?

Seems like I remember Paul "escaping" or leaving an area several times because of threats.

Do you believe he was doubtful of God's protection?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Seems like I remember Paul "escaping" or leaving an area several times because of threats.

Do you believe he was doubtful of God's protection?

Nope, he was all in.