The Reason Why Kaepernick Kneeled

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Still waiting for a credible study that shows police bias in shooting incidents.
I have posted this for a few weeks now and no one has found one, evidently.
Now, as I have stated before, I appear white (even though I am not all white), yet, I still feel fear when those lights show up behind me.
I have known and met enough cops to know that there are some that are jerks.
So, I still feel fear.

That is because that the stuff was not being tracked.

There are a lot of high profile cop-killing-black people. I think that there is a problem with race and policing. I have had A LOT of bad experiences with the police, but some of the experiences have been positive.

[deacon blues]

I don't talk politics at work. I don't protest at the office. I don't bring up political issues with customers. I don't use my work time as the platform for my politically motivated activities. It's UNPROFESSIONAL. It's also against company rules.

Bottom line: if the company (NFL) doesn't want its employees to use work time to make political and divisive statements or protests, that's their right. They have rules. If customers stop patronizing the NFL bc they find the protests in poor taste, that's their right.

I would lose a TON of income if I used my work time to go political.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

That is because that the stuff was not being tracked.

There are a lot of high profile cop-killing-black people. I think that there is a problem with race and policing. I have had A LOT of bad experiences with the police, but some of the experiences have been positive.

JD - I gave you a study, put out by a Harvard professor who is African-American, who admitted that he expected bias.
There was no bias.
BLM is a false narrative.
Hands up don't shoot was a false narrative.
Now, I have been stopped 25-30 times on the roads, by policemen, over the years.
All of them, except for 2, were just "fishing" expeditions by the police.
If I was African-American, I would probably think they were stopping me because of my color.
But that would be false.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JD - I gave you a study, put out by a Harvard professor who is African-American, who admitted that he expected bias.
There was no bias.
BLM is a false narrative.
Hands up don't shoot was a false narrative.
Now, I have been stopped 25-30 times on the roads, by policemen, over the years.
All of them, except for 2, were just "fishing" expeditions by the police.
If I was African-American, I would probably think they were stopping me because of my color.
But that would be false.

Crickets

[Aquila]

Protest is a fundamental right. If you have your panties all up in a bunch over it, you're just as bad as those who oppose the 2nd Amendment.

Kaepernick not only has the guts to protest about a highly unpopular topic, but he has done so peacefully. I find it funny that those who argue that rioting protestors need to find a peaceful means of protest, turn and argue against those who do find a peaceful means of protest. Essentially, what is being said is that the black community shouldn't protest regarding perceived injustices rather it be through violent protest or peaceful protest. Personally, I support his protest even if I disagree with the perceived injustice he's protesting about. Why? Because it is an excellent example of a peaceful demonstration. We should encourage these more peaceful demonstrations, even if we don't necessarily agree with their cause.

On an entirely different front... I'm wondering why Christian athletes aren't taking a knee to protest Christian causes like taking a knee to protest the slaughter of the unborn? If they did, would we support them? Of course we would. At the end of the day the issue is that many of us just want the black community to shut up and take it.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Protest is a fundamental right. If you have your panties all up in a bunch over it, you're just as bad as those who oppose the 2nd Amendment.

Kaepernick not only has the guts to protest about a highly unpopular topic, but he has done so peacefully. I find it funny that those who argue that rioting protestors need to find a peaceful means of protest, turn and argue against those who do find a peaceful means of protest. Essentially, what is being said is that the black community shouldn't protest regarding perceived injustices rather it be through violent protest or peaceful protest. Personally, I support his protest even if I disagree with the perceived injustice he's protesting about. Why? Because it is an excellent example of a peaceful demonstration. We should encourage these more peaceful demonstrations, even if we don't necessarily agree with their cause.

On an entirely different front... I'm wondering why Christian athletes aren't taking a knee to protest Christian causes like taking a knee to protest the slaughter of the unborn? If they did, would we support them? Of course we would. At the end of the day the issue is that many of us just want the black community to shut up and take it.

1. Kaep was protesting the targeting of minorities (specifically African-Americans) by the police. As I have stated many times there is no credible studies that show this. As a matter of fact, they show the opposite.
2. The protest was conducted by the "employees" (players) of the NFL teams. The NFL has a rule regarding this, which it chose not to enforce. Now it has been severely impacted and I believe has started down a road to ruin.
3. Your last comment is (as your comments many times are) intended to directly insult anyone who does not agree with you.
I am not sure why you feel the need to constantly insult those with different opinions.
Must be some deep seated need within you.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

1. Kaep was protesting the targeting of minorities (specifically African-Americans) by the police. As I have stated many times there is no credible studies that show this. As a matter of fact, they show the opposite.

First, one can protest against Trump on the pretense that they think he's a space alien if they want to. It's a fundamental right. They don't have to justify it through studies and all that garbage.

Second, there was a time when all credible studies told us that tobacco wasn't bad for us. You can't always trust studies. I'm sure that if slavery continued until this very day there would be studies that black slaves were actually "happy" being slaves. So, frankly, the studies are better served if used as toilet paper.

2. The protest was conducted by the "employees" (players) of the NFL teams. The NFL has a rule regarding this, which it chose not to enforce. Now it has been severely impacted and I believe has started down a road to ruin.

The NFL was wise. They'd be viewed as "owning" players and denying them their 1st Amendment rights. Since the protest was peaceful and doesn't truly interfere with the job the players are paid to do, they decided to let the players be. I'm interested to see the next issue protested by taking a knee. What if it is one you support? What if it is one what your precious "studies" validate? Will you support those players in taking a knee then???

3. Your last comment is (as your comments many times are) intended to directly insult anyone who does not agree with you.

I don't mean to insult anyone. I'm only saying how it looks from where I sit. If I'm mistaken, please show me where I'm mistaken. We had violent protest and people argued that violent protest only hurt their cause, they'd get farther with peaceful protest. We get peaceful protest, and everyone wants to boycott the NFL, never watch a game again, blah, blah, blah. C'mon. We either support the peaceful exercise of the 1st Amendment or we don't.

I am not sure why you feel the need to constantly insult those with different opinions.
Must be some deep seated need within you.

Um... I've largely left this thread alone. I can probably pull a dozen posts that are insulting to those who support Kaepernick's cause or who at least support his use of peaceful protest. I post one tiny little post that holds irrefutable logic, and y'all gonna act like I've been bullying you are something. LOL

C'mon. If you can refute my logic, do so.

My points:

1.) Protest is a fundamental right and should NEVER be denied.
2.) Peaceful protest should be supported and praised, even if one doesn't agree with the cause itself.
3.) Pretty much the same crowd that argued against the violent protests in Charlotte are whining about the peaceful protest of Kaepernick. So, doesn't that tell you that violent or peaceful, they just don't want black people protesting of any perceived injustice?

Please tell me where my logic is flawed.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Protest is a fundamental right. If you have your panties all up in a bunch over it, you're just as bad as those who oppose the 2nd Amendment.

There is a right to protest, however, these athletes do NOT have a constitutional right to do so on their job. Outside their job, absolutely. But just as I am not protected by the constitution for protesting on my job, these athletes are not either. Actions have consequences. If they want to hijack a game for their false narrative, they should be prepared for the consequences.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Kaepernick not only has the guts to protest about a highly unpopular topic, but he has done so peacefully.

Guts? The dude took a knee before playing a game. Guts? If Kap has guts, why are his supporters pleading with him to stop hiding and become more vocal about the protests? He's been really quiet lately, even suggested he would stand for the anthem if a team would hire him. That's not guts. What you mistake for guts is really bandwagon social activism.

Originally Posted by Aquila

At the end of the day the issue is that many of us just want the black community to shut up and take it.

Did you forget to take your meds this morning? What a incredibly stupid statement. Just when I think you've said the dumbest thing, you go and say something even more insulting and stupid.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

First, one can protest against Trump on the pretense that they think he's a space alien if they want to. It's a fundamental right. They don't have to justify it through studies and all that garbage.

Wrong. They do NOT have a right to protest while they are working.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The NFL was wise. They'd be viewed as "owning" players and denying them their 1st Amendment rights.

Here we go with the new liberal garbage narrative: football players being viewed as "slaves." News flash, cupcake, employers don't have to honor employees 1A rights on the job.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't mean to insult anyone.

Sure. Just as you didn't mean to insult us with your plea to protest Pentecostal services or with your post claiming you would understand a person who would shoot up a church.

Originally Posted by Aquila

1.) Protest is a fundamental right and should NEVER be denied.

Fact: It is not a fundamental right while on the job. But hey, why don't you try it, Aquila. While on the job, why not write some cardboard signs and march around protesting white supremacy and the false narrative that blacks are more likely to die from police brutality. Then when your supervisor calls you in and tells you to stop, I want you to tell him to get lost. Tell him it's your fundamental right and then walk out and continue protesting. See how long you remain employed.

Originally Posted by Aquila

2.) Peaceful protest should be supported and praised, even if one doesn't agree with the cause itself.

FALSE. If the protest is based on a lie and false narrative, it should be exposed for what it is - a LIE.

Originally Posted by Aquila

3.) they just don't want black people protesting of any perceived injustice? [/INDENT]

FALSE and insulting. Tell me, Aquila, why aren't these "gutsy" athletes protesting black on black violence in Chicago and other urban metros? Black on black violence will cause more black deaths in Chicago in a month, than cops will in a year or more.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

There is a right to protest, however, these athletes do NOT have a constitutional right to do so on their job. Outside their job, absolutely. But just as I am not protected by the constitution for protesting on my job, these athletes are not either. Actions have consequences. If they want to hijack a game for their false narrative, they should be prepared for the consequences.

This brings up some interesting questions:

1.) Should one have to surrender their Constitutional liberties for a job? Why shouldn't employers have recognized an employee's Constitutional liberties?
2.) Are they paid to stand for the anthem? Hasn't that always been optional?
3.) If what you explained is embraced, then wouldn't the biggest gripe be against the NFL and not Kaepernick?

The NFL has a number of minority players. If it tried to overtly silence Kaepernick's protest involving a minority concern, they might face bigger problems than a group of players taking a knee during the national anthem.

Guts? The dude took a knee before playing a game. Guts? If Kap has guts, why are his supporters pleading with him to stop hiding and become more vocal about the protests? He's been really quiet lately, even suggested he would stand for the anthem if a team would hire him. That's not guts. What you mistake for guts is really bandwagon social activism.

There might be a degree of truth to that. He really doesn't have to be more vocal. His peaceful action has said it all. If he became more vocal, I'm sure some NFL attorney would find a reason to skin him alive. In addition, becoming more vocal could only damage his reputation even more. Being rather quiet while taking a knee is wise. As for him being willing to stand if another team hired him, if it is as you present it, it only goes to show how celebrity status of a protest can poison the waters.

Did you forget to take your meds this morning? What a incredibly stupid statement. Just when I think you've said the dumbest thing, you go and say something even more insulting and stupid.

I noticed you didn't address my point. Let me reiterate it again for you:

-People argued against the violent protests of perceived black injustice.
-People are arguing against peaceful protests of perceived black injustice.

How does that not send the picture that a large segment of our society just wants black people to shut up about perceived injustice? I mean, think about it, violent protest or peaceful protest, they can't win with these people.

Prove me wrong.