1000 year reign

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Micheal very good.

Bro Epley please do not promote the false notion that partial preterists belittle the great future hope of the church, by agreeing with a post that misrepresentatively stated I do not propose a future hope.

If you disagree with my basic beliefs about prophecy, then fine. But to say I propose no great future hope is a falsity and bearing false witness. I clearly told everyone here that I believe in a physical resurrection when we will be changed to have immortal bodies, we will exist for eternity with Christ, we will continue a rulership which will be far beyond the magnitude we enjoy spiritually now, and sin will be gone, satan will be gone, sinners will be gone, and earth will continue when we will abide in both heaven and earth both, etc.

I believe in a world to come. I just disagree that Christ will have a physical throne on the earth and a palace outside the thought of our bodies.

Now, how does that refute a great future hope?

Everyone... please respond.

This falsehood about us believing in no great future hope needs to be corrected and stopped.

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Michael the disciple said the following points about his great future hope for the church which I AGREE WITH.

As if when we DO rule the nations we will be flesh.

Immortal beings as kings and priests ministering to the new Earth the Apostles spoke of. We will have access to Heaven as well as Earth.

To many want to say its all one way or the other. Yet scripture shows resurrected saints living on Earth and also in Heaven.

As thousands then millions of years roll on the Universe will be populated by nothing but beings who love YHWH.

The short little 6000 year period man rebelled will be a distant memory. Far, far more people will be followers of YHWH and his truth than were finally destroyed in the Lake of Fire.

The whole Earth will be filled with his glory.

Yes we do rule now in that when sufficiently trained and anointed we can rule over evil spirits and diseases but that is still just part of our training as to the coming restoration of the Earth.

I agree with all the above. So how can honest brethren continue saying I propose no great future hope for the church?

Full preterism does not believe no sinners sinners will be left and does not believe satan will be gone forever one day. Not partial preterism. Please, folks, get your facts straight.

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[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Michael the disciple said the following points about his great future hope for the church which I AGREE WITH.



I agree with all the above. So how can honest brethren continue saying I propose no great future hope for the church?

Full preterism does not believe no sinners sinners will be left and does not believe satan will be gone forever one day. Not partial preterism. Please, folks, get your facts straight.

As I see it what you are taking away is the hope THAT SCRIPTURE GIVES US. We are told if we overcome and keep his works TO THE END we will rule nations with him.

You teach we are ruling nations now. You are presenting hope the scripture does not give.

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

As I see it what you are taking away is the hope THAT SCRIPTURE GIVES US.

That is not what you said. You said....

Originally Posted by Michael the Disciple

Bro Blume again demonstrates how preterism and its denial of the future glory of Christs kingdom takes away the joyous hope of Christians

You are changing your argument. You distinctly said I "take away the joyous hope of Christians". I most certainly do not.

Originally Posted by Michael the Disciple

We are told if we overcome and keep his works TO THE END we will rule nations with him.

You teach we are ruling nations now. You are presenting hope the scripture does not give.

The scriptures do teach this:

Eph 1:18-22 KJV The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, (19) And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, (20) Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, (21) Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: (22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Eph 2:5-6 KJV Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; ) (6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Chirst is over ALL NAMES IN THIS WORLD AND THE WORLD TO COME. And also WE ARE SEATED WITH HIM Over these things. Look what it says we're over:

...all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come

I believe in MORE HOPE to us NOW, than futurism gives, but ALSO THE GREAT HOPE in our future in the world to come. And I proved it with Bible.

If you think that means WE DO NOT RULE NOW, then settle for less than what scripture says. I'm not.

How can you say I BELITTLE the great hope????? I say there is MORE NOW and just as much as you propose LATER.

Originally Posted by Michael the disciple

yes does belittle the truth of Christs glorious kingdom reign.

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Bro Blume again demonstrates how preterism and its denial of the future glory of Christs kingdom takes away the joyous hope of Christians

HOW????

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We reign IN LIFE now.

Rom 5:17 KJV For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Bro Epley please do not promote the false notion that partial preterists belittle the great future hope of the church, by agreeing with a post that misrepresentatively stated I do not propose a future hope.

If you disagree with my basic beliefs about prophecy, then fine. But to say I propose no great future hope is a falsity and bearing false witness. I clearly told everyone here that I believe in a physical resurrection when we will be changed to have immortal bodies, we will exist for eternity with Christ, we will continue a rulership which will be far beyond the magnitude we enjoy spiritually now, and sin will be gone, satan will be gone, sinners will be gone, and earth will continue when we will abide in both heaven and earth both, etc.

I believe in a world to come. I just disagree that Christ will have a physical throne on the earth and a palace outside the thought of our bodies.

Now, how does that refute a great future hope?

Everyone... please respond.

This falsehood about us believing in no great future hope needs to be corrected and stopped.

Elder Blume I did NOT catch the line addressed to you only the arguments for the coming Kingdom that I thought were good.
Elder Blume (while confused about the 1000 years)
Does believe :
The literal return of Christ to catch away his church and judge the wicked.
The literal resurrection of the dead at His coming.
The literal future judgment of the righteous and wicked.
Now if we can only straighten him out on the coming LITERAL kingdom for 1000 years it would be great. Carry on brethren convert him.

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume I did NOT catch the line addressed to you only the arguments for the coming Kingdom that I thought were good.
Elder Blume (while confused about the 1000 years)
Does believe :
The literal return of Christ to catch away his church and judge the wicked.
The literal resurrection of the dead at His coming.
The literal future judgment of the righteous and wicked.
Now if we can only straighten him out on the coming LITERAL kingdom for 1000 years it would be great. Carry on brethren convert him.

Thanks for your clarification. If I could just get you guys to see how much MORE you can be ruling now... hoooeeeyyy! Who knows what y'all could do for God?!

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So Bro Epley, you KNOW I believe there IS A FUTURE HOPE FOR THE CHURCH, right?

The book the UPC printed, which mentioned my name in it, was entitled something about UPHOLDING OUR FUTURE HOPE. And it gave the false impression that partial preterists do not believe in a future hope.