Clinton/Trump Aides Clash At Harvard Forum

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Again, your entire narrative is false. The chance of your muslim friends and neighbors being placed on a registry is incredibly low. It would ONLY be if they are immigrants or visiting on a Visa from a county in which there is a large presence of muslim extremists. Trump is NOT proposing to place ALL muslim CITIZENS in a registry. That is just completely false.

I don't see a problem with such a measure as you describe it. However, I'm dead set against any kind of blanket registry.

Tell me, do you allow strangers, neighbors even, to break into your home and set up residence there?

No. And I sympathize with your position. But why aren't we talking about immigration reform instead of walls, task forces to root out illegals, etc?

obama, 2008. As a US Senator, obama voted in support of building a border wall.

I am also aware that Obama even had boarder fencing put in place.

[Aquila]

To me, a wall is a silly excuse to ignore comprehensive immigration reform and having to deal justly with illegals who have lived peacefully in our nation for decades and have families.

I'm leery of anything capable of keeping Americans in.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't see a problem with such a measure as you describe it. However, I'm dead set against any kind of blanket registry.

That's what I've read from the Trump team. If that's true, I think it's great. I also would be completely against a blanket registry. It needs to be specific and very narrow.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

To me, a wall is a silly excuse to ignore comprehensive immigration reform and having to deal justly with illegals who have lived peacefully in our nation for decades and have families.

I'm leery of anything capable of keeping Americans in.

You've posted that you believe abortion is an issue the GOP refuses to fully deal with in order to have an election year issue.

IMO, both parties do the same with immigration. Neither party is willing to fully address border security or what to do with the millions here already in order to have a wedge issue every 2-4 years. That's why I've claimed this wall Trump has talked about isn't going to happen. He can talk about it all he wants. Congress may even pass a bill to build a wall, as they did in 2006. In 2006, Congress passed a bill to complete a 700-mile, double-layered, 14ft fence. Last I read about it, it was still incomplete and unfinished. And that's just a fence, not a wall that Trump is claiming he will build.

I wouldn't worry about the wall, it won't happen.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

You've posted that you believe abortion is an issue the GOP refuses to fully deal with in order to have an election year issue.

IMO, both parties do the same with immigration. Neither party is willing to fully address border security or what to do with the millions here already in order to have a wedge issue every 2-4 years. That's why I've claimed this wall Trump has talked about isn't going to happen. He can talk about it all he wants. Congress may even pass a bill to build a wall, as they did in 2006. In 2006, Congress passed a bill to complete a 700-mile, double-layered, 14ft fence. Last I read about it, it was still incomplete and unfinished. And that's just a fence, not a wall that Trump is claiming he will build.

I wouldn't worry about the wall, it won't happen.

I don't think it will happen either. However, it is the mentality of all these outrageous visions put together that causes me pause.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't mind a debate. But no amount of debate will change the fact that Trump is a fascist.

no he is not, no matter how many times you say something is a fact, that does not necessarily make it a fact.

Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.
You are a great propagandist.

[n david]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

no he is not, no matter how many times you say something is a fact, that does not necessarily make it a fact.

Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.
You are a great propagandist.

That's what Trump did to Cruz! Kept saying "Lyin' Ted" enough everyone started believing it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Oh, I do agree that we have the right to control access to our home. However, this issue has some complications. We need comprehensive immigration reform. Some want more lose reforms up to amnesty. Some want to take an extreme hardline position. That's up to individual opinion. But we don't need a wall.

You're right, we don't need a wall.

If we:

End government welfare for non-citizens,
Put employers in jail who hire illegals,
Rescind NAFTA, GATT, and all the other stupid "free trade" agreements,
Return to an America- and American-First policy,
End "anchor baby" policies,
Enforce deportation laws already on the books,

Then the illegal invasion will end and most illegals would deport themselves.

Thus the required deportations would be comparatively small, no wall needed, and we can get back to being the Greatest Country on Earth once again.

BUT, as long as we continue as a nation to thumb our collective noses at God, the illegals will continue to be a problem.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

To me, a wall is a silly excuse to ignore comprehensive immigration reform and having to deal justly with illegals who have lived peacefully in our nation for decades and have families.

I'm leery of anything capable of keeping Americans in.

Perhaps you do not understand that Trump will actually create comprehensive immigration reform instead of just talking about it. He has already stated that many people who are deported will be allowed to return quickly as long as they do not have a criminal record. He simply does not want them becoming citizens and voting.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by n david

That's what Trump did to Cruz! Kept saying "Lyin' Ted" enough everyone started believing it.

Poor Ted, got branded by the orange clown.

Do not worry about Ted, our Cheeto president will probably make him a supreme court judge.