Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn:

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Aquila, do you believe a fetus should be aborted all the way up until birth? Have you done your research to see how horrifying that procedure is? And you stand behind the candidate who wants to make this happen?

The very thought of such a thing makes me want to gag and puke and cry.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I believe that every abortion is a tragedy.

And that's it? Just a tragedy? It still makes me gag and sick at my stomach to think of the horrific way abortions take place... and you just call it a tragedy? The mangled mess of an innocent baby's body at the end of the procedure is just a tragedy? Not murder of the innocent?

Chris, it also makes me feel almost physically ill to understand that you have come to believe the lies of the left on this.

Originally Posted by Aquila

However, I have come to understand that legality has no real bearing on abortion rates. Some nations with the most strict abortion laws have very high abortion rates. Some nations that are prochoice have some of the lowest abortion rates in the world. I'm not a fan of Hillary's position. But I firmly believe that if you want to see fewer partial birth abortions, vote for policies that will address the issues women face. Help mothers. The Republicans haven't figured this out yet. We know that under President Bill Clinton the abortion rate in the United States hit a 30 year all time low, an abortion rate even lower than the abortion rate prior to Roe.

So, in essence, while it is counter intuitive, a vote for Hillary is a vote to save more children, although her position is radically prochoice. A vote for Trump (who is lying about being prochoice just to win your vote) is a vote for policies that will only increase the desperation of women and increase the abortion rate.

A vote for Trump is drenched in blood.

A vote for Hillary is agreeing with her that partial birth abortions all the way up to birth are something you ARE voting for... MURDER.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

The GOP and their voters only care about a baby while its in the womb. When it comes out and the parents need help they are no where to be found.

Who provides orphanages, abortion alternatives (adoption), food pantries, and assistance? Liberal organizations? No, it's conservative Christian charities and services helping the poor and needy. The difference is that liberals are generous with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Stats show liberals are less generous than conservatives. Conservatives believe in free will giving, not forced, punitive, confiscatory taxation.

Liberals are hypocrites. They clothe themselves in the mantel of compassion and generosity. The truth is they are kind and giving with the money they force from others.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Who provides orphanages, abortion alternatives (adoption), food pantries, and assistance? Liberal organizations? No, it's conservative Christian charities and services helping the poor and needy. The difference is that liberals are generous with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Stats show liberals are less generous than conservatives. Conservatives believe in free will giving, not forced, punitive, confiscatory taxation.

Liberals are hypocrites. They clothe themselves in the mantel of compassion and generosity. The truth is they are kind and giving with the money they force from others.

Boom

[shazeep]

"Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn"

and who are the unborn? hmm?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

"Clinton Is the Best Choice For the Unborn"

and who are the unborn? hmm?

Who are the unborn, by race?

The largest percentage of unborn aborted babies by race is black.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=ss6410a1_e

Excerpt:
Race/Ethnicity
Among the 27 areas that reported cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2012 (Table 12), non-Hispanic white women and non-Hispanic black women accounted for the largest percentages of abortions (37.6% and 36.7%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (18.7% and 7.0%, respectively). Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rate (7.7 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratio (127 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rate (27.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratio (435 abortions per 1,000 live births). Data for 2012 are also reported separately by race (Table 13) and by ethnicity (Table 14).

More statistics on 2012 data for the aborted unborn:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...6410a1_e#tab12


Since Clinton clearly stands for abortion all the way up to birth... it should be clear to the black community that she does not stand for them.


She stands for the right to abort 43.5% of black babies, all the way up to birth, if need be.

Sickening. How can anyone support someone who stands for the right to essentially wipe out close to 50% of an entire race of people in one country?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Who are the unborn, by race?

The largest percentage of unborn aborted babies by race is black.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...cid=ss6410a1_e

Excerpt:
Race/Ethnicity
Among the 27 areas that reported cross-classified race/ethnicity data for 2012 (Table 12), non-Hispanic white women and non-Hispanic black women accounted for the largest percentages of abortions (37.6% and 36.7%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (18.7% and 7.0%, respectively). Non-Hispanic white women had the lowest abortion rate (7.7 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratio (127 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic black women had the highest abortion rate (27.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years) and ratio (435 abortions per 1,000 live births). Data for 2012 are also reported separately by race (Table 13) and by ethnicity (Table 14).

More statistics on 2012 data for the aborted unborn:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...6410a1_e#tab12


Since Clinton clearly stands for abortion all the way up to birth... it should be clear to the black community that she does not stand for them.


She stands for the right to abort 43.5% of black babies, all the way up to birth, if need be.

Sickening. How can anyone support someone who stands for the right to essentially wipe out close to 50% of an entire race of people in one country?

eugenics . . .

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

And what about the child? Doesn't he/she have a say in the matter?

Ultimately, the mother has sovereign authority over her body and the fruit of her womb. At some point, there has to be a final authority. Seeing how complicated various situations can be, I'd much rather that decision rest solely in the hands of individual women.

In my mind, allowing the government to violate a woman's sovereignty in order to force her to give birth against her will is just as bad as violating a woman's sovereignty and forcing her to get an abortion against her will.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

And that's it? Just a tragedy? It still makes me gag and sick at my stomach to think of the horrific way abortions take place... and you just call it a tragedy? The mangled mess of an innocent baby's body at the end of the procedure is just a tragedy? Not murder of the innocent?

Chris, it also makes me feel almost physically ill to understand that you have come to believe the lies of the left on this.



A vote for Hillary is agreeing with her that partial birth abortions all the way up to birth are something you ARE voting for... MURDER.

Most abortions take place early in the pregnancy. One-third take place at six weeks or pregnancy or earlier; 89 percent occur in the first 12 weeks, according to the Guttmacher Institute. Only 1.2 percent of abortions—about 12,000 a year– take place after 21 weeks. However, the Supreme Court has held that states may not prohibit abortions “necessary to preserve the life or health” of the mother.

Most don't know that 43 states already prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy, such as fetal viability, in the third trimester or after a certain number of weeks. So this is already a rare procedure that is prohibited in much of the country.

I'm not in support of late term abortion. However, I do believe that it should be legal in cases wherein the life and/or health of the mother is at stake. And while such cases are extremely rare.... I believe the legality is necessary for those rare occasions.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Who provides orphanages, abortion alternatives (adoption), food pantries, and assistance? Liberal organizations? No, it's conservative Christian charities and services helping the poor and needy. The difference is that liberals are generous with OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. Stats show liberals are less generous than conservatives. Conservatives believe in free will giving, not forced, punitive, confiscatory taxation.

Liberals are hypocrites. They clothe themselves in the mantel of compassion and generosity. The truth is they are kind and giving with the money they force from others.

Many are subsidized by the federal and state government. If you cut the subsidies, they'd be in real trouble. Thank a liberal.

[Aquila]

The painful truth is that BOTH political parties are Pro-Choice. However, one claims to be Pro-Life in order to politically profit from the tragedy of abortion. The other wants abortion to be safe, legal, and rare.

I often hear: "The evil of abortion will not be struck down by Republican Presidential appointments."

The best case study for this idea is the 1992 decision in Planned Parenthood v Casey. Eight of the nine sitting Justices were appointed by Republicans. This was the perfect opportunity for Republican nominees to overturn Roe v. Wade.

They had an 8-1 majority over Democrat nominees. The only Justice appointed by a Democrat voted Pro-Life. The five Republican nominees, upheld Roe. v. Wade.

The Republicans are simply manipulating the religious convictions of the values voter. And the Republicans will do all they can to ensure that abortion rates continue to be as high as possible. Why? Because they need the issue every election to lock in those values voters.

Meanwhile Democrats who are openly Pro-Choice are trying to increase the availability of birth control, expand health insurance, and raise the average rate of income to match inflation. These measures tend to lower the abortion rate by reducing the number of unplanned and crisis pregnancies and lowering the financial impact of raising a family. Please keep in mind, under President William Jefferson Clinton the abortion rate in the United States hit a 30 year all time low (even lower than when abortion was prohibited).... and Clinton was a pro-choice Democrat.