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[Evang.Benincasa]

Son of man, set your face against Gog (a powerful leader Vladimir Putin) of the land of Magog (RUSSIA). Thus says the Lord GOD:‘Behold, I am against you, O Gog (Vladimir Putin)Persia (Iran), Ethiopia (Rastafarians), and Libya (Louis Farrakhan) with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer (Turkey), and all his bands; the house of Togarmah (Armenia) of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Here it is, I just heard this.



Wow.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

being as Jesus physically and spiritually completed four out of the seven feasts.

Jesus' life and ministry was a fulfillment of all the feasts, not just the spring feasts.



That's a non-sequitur. It's like saying "if we celebrate Jesus, we are celebrating the feast days of Easter, Nativity, and Epiphany." In fact, it's the same as those who say "if we are humble and serve one another, we have washed one another's feet" while not actually washing any feet. Or like those who say "if we have fellowship with Christ and one another in the Spirit, we have had communion/the Lord's Supper" while choosing not to actually share bread and wine ("spiritual communion").

Or like Quakers who say "if you have put on Christ you have been baptized" while rejecting actual, literal baptism.

"Celebrating Jesus" and "celebrating the feasts" are two distinct, though related, actions.

Ok, I accept that you believe Jesus fulfilled all the feasts. It all tends to be open to interpretation, and many parallels and types can be made.

My point is that the first 4 feasts of Jesus have been physically fulfilled on the actual dates and that is what I was referring to.

I don't agree with this quote ""if we celebrate Jesus, we are celebrating the feast days of Easter, Nativity, and Epiphany." That's nonsense. Not true.

We don't just celebrate Jesus at Christmas and Easter, and so on.. what was meant is that we celebrate and take joy in the works Jesus has accomplished each and every day. We don't have to wait for one particular day of the year to do that. Quite simple really. The works Jesus accomplished on our behalf are to be celebrated EVERY day.

[votivesoul]

If the notion that "there are three feasts yet to be fulfilled" is actually accurate, I would venture to counter with this:

As so many have already mentioned, Passover, Unleavened Bread, First-fruits, and Pentecost have all "happened" as it were.

The remaining three looks like, to me, to already have been fulfilled in the Ascension of Christ to the Right Hand of the Father. I think Hebrews spells it out pretty well.

Trumpets would be the annunciation of Christ entering the Heavens, fully victorious over death, hell, and the Accuser.

Atonement would be the application of Christ coming into the holiest of all to present His blood, whereby the sins of the world were expiated and God was propitiated.

Tabernacles would then be, after the above two feasts are fulfilled in the Heavens, the final reunion of Father and Son, as Jesus made mention of and predicted in the Gospel of John (e.g. 3:13, 13:13, 14:28, 16:10, 16, 27, & 28, and 20:17).

So, to get a picture of this, imagine Heaven. Jesus ascends, and is heralded (See Acts 3:19; the heavens must receive Jesus...; also possibly Revelation 4:1) by trumpeting angels, that the Son of God/Son of Man has returned from whence He came.

But He returns as a lamb that has been slain (Revelation 5:6).

As He returns, He purges the Heavens of anything unclean (Hebrews 9, especially v. 23)

When the full purging is completed, and the Heavens are purified by His blood, Jesus then sits down in His propitiated Father's throne, at the Father's Right Hand, until His enemies are made His footstool (Psalm 110:1-2). Father and Son are reunited, "tabernacling" together, into the "bosom of the Father" (John 1:18), so to speak.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If the notion that "there are three feasts yet to be fulfilled" is actually accurate, I would venture to counter with this:

As so many have already mentioned, Passover, Unleavened Bread, First-fruits, and Pentecost have all "happened" as it were.

The remaining three looks like, to me, to already have been fulfilled in the Ascension of Christ to the Right Hand of the Father. I think Hebrews spells it out pretty well.

Trumpets would be the annunciation of Christ entering the Heavens, fully victorious over death, hell, and the Accuser.

Atonement would be the application of Christ coming into the holiest of all to present His blood, whereby the sins of the world were expiated and God was propitiated.

Tabernacles would then be, after the above two feasts are fulfilled in the Heavens, the final reunion of Father and Son, as Jesus made mention of and predicted in the Gospel of John (e.g. 3:13, 13:13, 14:28, 16:10, 16, 27, & 28, and 20:17).

So, to get a picture of this, imagine Heaven. Jesus ascends, and is heralded (See Acts 3:19; the heavens must receive Jesus...; also possibly Revelation 4:1) by trumpeting angels, that the Son of God/Son of Man has returned from whence He came.

But He returns as a lamb that has been slain (Revelation 5:6).

As He returns, He purges the Heavens of anything unclean (Hebrews 9, especially v. 23)

When the full purging is completed, and the Heavens are purified by His blood, Jesus then sits down in His propitiated Father's throne, at the Father's Right Hand, until His enemies are made His footstool (Psalm 110:1-2). Father and Son are reunited, "tabernacling" together, into the "bosom of the Father" (John 1:18), so to speak.

I like that. Very good stuff.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If the notion that "there are three feasts yet to be fulfilled" is actually accurate, I would venture to counter with this:

As so many have already mentioned, Passover, Unleavened Bread, First-fruits, and Pentecost have all "happened" as it were.

The remaining three looks like, to me, to already have been fulfilled in the Ascension of Christ to the Right Hand of the Father. I think Hebrews spells it out pretty well.

Trumpets would be the annunciation of Christ entering the Heavens, fully victorious over death, hell, and the Accuser.

Atonement would be the application of Christ coming into the holiest of all to present His blood, whereby the sins of the world were expiated and God was propitiated.

Tabernacles would then be, after the above two feasts are fulfilled in the Heavens, the final reunion of Father and Son, as Jesus made mention of and predicted in the Gospel of John (e.g. 3:13, 13:13, 14:28, 16:10, 16, 27, & 28, and 20:17).

So, to get a picture of this, imagine Heaven. Jesus ascends, and is heralded (See Acts 3:19; the heavens must receive Jesus...; also possibly Revelation 4:1) by trumpeting angels, that the Son of God/Son of Man has returned from whence He came.

But He returns as a lamb that has been slain (Revelation 5:6).

As He returns, He purges the Heavens of anything unclean (Hebrews 9, especially v. 23)

When the full purging is completed, and the Heavens are purified by His blood, Jesus then sits down in His propitiated Father's throne, at the Father's Right Hand, until His enemies are made His footstool (Psalm 110:1-2). Father and Son are reunited, "tabernacling" together, into the "bosom of the Father" (John 1:18), so to speak.

I like this too. However, how do you fit this scripture in with this idea?

Rev. 21:1-3
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

When does the New Jerusalem come down and the "tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them" fit into this? Because, after all, the Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated because it means God will dwell with man, so this is a very strong scripture that supports the physical Feast of Tabernacles being fulfilled in New Jerusalem.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I like this too. However, how do you fit this scripture in with this idea?

Rev. 21:1-3
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

When does the New Jerusalem come down and the "tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them" fit into this? Because, after all, the Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated because it means God will dwell with man, so this is a very strong scripture that supports the physical Feast of Tabernacles being fulfilled in New Jerusalem.

Hebrews 12:22 says we've come to the heavenly Jerusalem.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hebrews 12:22 says we've come to the heavenly Jerusalem.

Thanks for that reference!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Thanks for that reference!

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I also like this one.

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

The blessed thing to me about what I believe is the current City New Jerusalem, is that it's HEAVENLY. As there was an Earthly Jerusalem, Zion and temple, where David Ruled on earth, there is a heavenly Jerusalem, Zion and temple where Jesus rules now.

And right before we read about the heavenly Jerusalem, we read this about Abraham:

Hebrews 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I like that. Very good stuff.

Thanks, Mike.

It might need some reworking or rewording, or a deeper look/study. But it's what I have so far.

Thanks again.

Peace and God bless,

Aaron

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I like this too. However, how do you fit this scripture in with this idea?

Rev. 21:1-3
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

When does the New Jerusalem come down and the "tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them" fit into this? Because, after all, the Feast of Tabernacles is celebrated because it means God will dwell with man, so this is a very strong scripture that supports the physical Feast of Tabernacles being fulfilled in New Jerusalem.

In Galatians, Paul refers to the "Jerusalem" that is above, saying that she is "free". He then states she is the "mother of us all". Surely this "mother" of us believers, is the Church, i.e. Christ's Bride?

We who have been given new life through the Spirit, and are continuing in the Word of our Savior as His disciples, have been set free, and are therefore, free indeed.

This again, for me, makes Paul's reference in Galatians regarding Jerusalem that is above, a marker for being the Church.

In Ephesians, Paul calls the church the habitation of God through the Spirit. Indeed, we are called the very house of God Himself!

Jesus said, "I will not leave you comfortless [i.e. orphans], I will come to you".

He also said "we will come to you", referring to both Himself and the Father.

Jesus, being "With us is God", i.e. Emmanuel, and the Father being the very God who is with us through Incarnation and Sonship, first in Christ, then in us, since Pentecost until now, would seem to indicate that "Christ in us, the hope of glory" means that since Jesus is Emmanuel, and His Spirit has been given to us, and has adopted us, by receiving the Spirit of God's Son, we receive the Spirit of Emmanuel, or "With us is God".

This means, even as God the Father was in Christ, so now Christ is in us, and we have therefore received fullness of the Godhead, just as it was in Christ bodily, so now it resides in the Body of Christ.

So, I would venture to argue that Revelations 21:1-3 is not a future fulfillment, but rather, a settled upon reality given to John in a vision.

The tabernacle of God, therefore, was raised up on Pentecost, circa 33AD. Surely it is the very tabernacle of David, which was fallen, but brought back by the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ Jesus our Lord.

We are the holy city, and as Mike pointed out, we are set upon a hill.

We are, therefore, the Light of the World. So let us walk in the light, as He is in the Light.

I think if the Church as a whole, could get this, and would separate itself from the entanglements of the world, the global impact upon the hearts of all people everywhere would be astonishing.