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Old 06-09-2009, 01:03 PM
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I don't know and even if I did, I wouldn't post it!! LOL! I just think that we want to maintain a center, but lean both ways in some areas. Do you agree with that?
I tend to agree with that except when other times I tend not to!
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I tend to agree with that except when other times I tend not to!


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Old 06-09-2009, 01:07 PM
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Hey, that wasn't funny!
Okay, Okay, a good way to tell if you are middle of the road is if some people think you are Liberal somedays & then other days Conservative!

Wheww, this balancing on the fence is tough work!
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:09 PM
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Okay, Okay, a good way to tell if you are middle of the road is if some people think you are Liberal somedays & then other days Conservative!

Wheww, this balancing on the fence is tough work!
LOL! Sounds like work!

Speaking of work, I've gotta run. Have a good one!
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pretty simple answer....


Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mat 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
Mat 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
Mat 6:21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mat 6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Mat 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
Mat 6:27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
Mat 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
Mat 6:29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Mat 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Mat 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
Mat 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

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Old 06-09-2009, 02:13 PM
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Timmy, my opinion is if you think you are holier than your brothers and sisters........your NOT holy.
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Timmy, my opinion is if you think you are holier than your brothers and sisters........your NOT holy.
Well I don't. So, I guess that means.... I am? But that would mean..... AAAGH! My head is spinning!

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I used to be ultra conservative. The church we attended didn't believe in going to or watching sporting events, men had to have long sleeves (the wrist), men were expected to wear white shirts to services, men could never wear shorts, absolutely no facial hair, pastor preached against "Clooney cut" haircuts, the spiking of the hair and the use of styling gel. No attending a gym or community center where there was mixed company. Men were generally all expected to wear the same hair cut with variance as to where it was parted. No wedding bands, in fact no jewelry, not even a wrist watch. We used pocket watches or took the bands off our watches and placed them in our pockets. No "high top Reebock" shoes, they were worldly. Tennis shoes were okay and dress shoes were fine, however, no designs in the laces, and dress shoes were generally expected to be one color. No secular music at all. There wasn't any stipulation from the pulpit to listen to only UPCI music but many felt that was only right. Ladies had to have their dresses or skirts down to roughly two inches above their ankle, long sleeves, and necklines had to be within "two fingers" of the the collar bone. Ladies hair was expected to be straight and uncut. No styling. When in church, at church functions, or about daily business hair was expected to be up. Hair was only worn down around the house. (We did teach the magic hair doctrine uncompromisingly and the church still does). No makeup, jewelry, painting the nails, or glossy lip gloss. Women were only allowed to wear "nude" pantyhose. Colors like charcoal , blue, or red were considered provocative. Black ladies who's hair didn't grow naturally straight were expected to have a hat on, our pastor would say, "No fros". We had a group of men who started men's prayer on Saturday - to Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. No DVD players. Home movies were allowed and were to be watched on a "monitor" that couldn't receive a television signal. No movie theaters. Children weren't allowed to have library cards, only parents. Ladies were expected to wear flats, or subtle pumps, no high heels because of the origin of the high heel. A ladies shoe had to encompass her entire foot, no straps. In addition no toes were to be shown. No alcohol, cigarettes, or tobacco products at all. Computers with the internet were allowed in the home IF it was considered part of one's job. (Eventually they let down on this standard.) Those who had the internet weren't allowed to usher or teach Sunday school unless they signed a paper stating that they had signed up for B-Safe Online software. All were expected to set the reporting email address to an email address of their "Care Group Leader".

I took my family a step higher, I began teaching "second covering" in my home Bible studies. I didn't allow my wife to go to church unless she had some "token of authority" in her hair or on her head such as a snood, doily, or barrette with cloth.

Some abusive things later happened at that church that wounded my family deeply. So my wife and I decided to leave. We began attended a more moderate church.

In my personal studies I've come to the conclusion that 99% of our standards are man made and are potentially dangerous to faith. Today my position is radically different.

I see nothing wrong with short sleeves. I have a pair of shorts I occasionally wear to exercise in at the gym (yes I have a membership - http://www.lafitness.com/Pages/default.aspx). I wear any color of shirt I want at a given moment. I still shave my face but I see nothing wrong with facial hair. I sometimes grow facial hair when we go to the cottage in Canada. My hair is currently layered (I can spike it), styled, and highlighted with blond highlights. My wife and I both wear wedding bands and occasionally we'll wear a necklace or bracelet. I wear a wrist watch now! LOL We both wear any pair of shoes we like, though my wife still stays away from what she feels to be too "trashy". We listen to most forms of music but mainly Christian music. Of my favorite secular styles are Jazz, Blues, Country, and yes... a little Metal on occasion. We own a television now. I enjoy taking my son to Baseball, Basket ball, and Hockey games. I occasionally take my wife out to the movies and we enjoy drive-ins. The wife wears short sleeves. She still wears dresses and skirts but her dresses and skirts are now kept about mid-shin or just below the knee. My wife's hair is now cut and styled, still long and hits her at about mid-back. Occasionally she'll wear a little make-up but I tell her she doesn't need it. She likes acrylic nails. Every now and then her neckline is lower than our first church's standards, but that's rare. Occasionally I like a little wine with dinner or a nice dark ale. I'll also enjoy a cigar every so often if I feel like it. The wife wears whatever color of hose she likes. And we monitor our own home internet usage.

If any of you feel that you're faith is being suffocated by man made rules and standards I strongly recommend this book... when I was about to loose my faith completely, I believe God had me discover this book.
6 Rules Every Man Must Break
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