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03-22-2016, 05:09 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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The original Apostolics 100 years ago didn't take time in preaching the new doctrine of JN baptism. When you believe in the something, when you receive a revelation, you don't want to preach lies---you want to preach the truth. I don't know what Pixler is doing, but when you see a house of cards you don't feel like perpetuating something that can't be defended biblically. Preaching standards as salvation is a lie. Preaching the Gospel is something other than what the Bible clearly shows us is damnable. Why patty cake around and worry about offending long term church goers or preachers from the district or the fellowship? The early Apostolics didn't. Why should anyone else?
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03-22-2016, 05:10 PM
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03-22-2016, 05:11 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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03-22-2016, 05:43 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Excellent. Get up and get out. No one is worth going to hell over.
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03-22-2016, 07:25 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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I know this happens but it also happens when all the apostolic teachings seem to be in place as well. That fellow in Memphis a few years back was preaching it right down Pentecostal central when he got exposed.
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Exactly! Elder Epley and I have had the discussion that moral failure / human failure is not limited to any one branch of Pentecost. I have seen it in lib exUPC or charismatic churches and ultra conservative Pentecostal / Apostolic churches as well.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-22-2016, 07:28 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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years ago there was a church where I live that "went charismatic". Used to be a very powerful Apostolic church. In that space of time when the Church flourished as an Apostolic church there were no known cases of adultery. The pastorate changed and subtle changes were made over time that seemed to raise no red flags. The only red flags were a couple cases of adultery in the laity. Again, the pastorate changed and the outward changes continued until there was no resemblance that it ever was an Apostolic church. Adultery became rampant. It was in the leadership, it was in the laity, it was between leadership and laity. Many marriages were broken up because of adultery. Once a seed is planted, it will continue to grow until it is plucked up by the roots. Perverted doctrine is enough to condemn someone's soul, but is usually not the only area that perversion has taken hold in. It is usually evidence of an issue that has long been flourishing.
But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men
God will pull the covers off of it eventually.
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Your anecdotal instance of a particular church in no way means a pastor / church changing means there is sexual sin / moral failure involved. That would be like me taking the instances I know of where conservative Pentecostal preachers have fallen into sexual sin and blaming it on them being conservative.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-22-2016, 07:31 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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It does happen even with those preaching it "right".
I would just say it happens more with those who abruptly stop preaching it "right".
I can say that at least 1/3 to 1/2 of the time I have seen this, there has been something going on.
That correlation is too high for me to not believe it is statistically significant.
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I do agree with your statement here. I am also leery when a conservative pastor makes a rapid change. However in the particular case we are discussing in this thread it is my understanding that SP had been going through a change over an extended period of time. He didn't just wake up one morning and decide he no longer believed like he had previously.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-22-2016, 07:46 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Exactly! Elder Epley and I have had the discussion that moral failure / human failure is not limited to any one branch of Pentecost. I have seen it in lib exUPC or charismatic churches and ultra conservative Pentecostal / Apostolic churches as well.
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No group has monopoly on moral failures. Immorality has no respect of doctrinal tenets or labels. However I do think we can open doors that gives occasion to fall.
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03-22-2016, 08:46 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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Excellent. Get up and get out. No one is worth going to hell over.
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Amen
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03-22-2016, 09:22 PM
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Re: Terry Shock Leaving Alexandria
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I don't know why old people think growing facial hair is a good look?
He looks like Harry and the Hendersons.
Seriously.
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