Planned Parenthood Cleared Of Wrong Doing

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Ndavid, what If someone left a baby on your door step and there wasn't any social services or anyone that wanted to take it in. Is it murder if you do not care for that baby?

What if there was a chance that the baby had a deadly and contagious disease. Is it murder if you don't care for that baby?

What if caring for that baby would cost you your job and friends? Because you can't afford to work and pay for daycare to take care of the baby while you work?

What if...what if. If ands or buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

Yes, absolutely, if a child is placed in your care and you refuse to care for it and allow it to die, you're a murderer.

I don't care if it had a disease. I don't care if it was left on your doorstep. I don't care if you *gasp* lost friends or a job because you're caring for them. Nor any other ridiculous and asinine hypothetical situation you make up.

Do you have kids? From the ignorance of your post, I doubt it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Lets run through some scenarios using your logic:

1. Mother is told having the baby may kill her. She aborts the baby. Was it mirder?

What is mirder?

And no, it isn't murder to save the life of the mother. And tell me, how many of the millions of abortions which occur are actually due to this reason?

I would bet it's less than .001%.

Originally Posted by jfrog

2. Mother is raped. Is it murder to abort that baby?

Yes. Put the child up for adoption. You don't kill the baby. Again, of the millions of abortions each year, how many are for this reason?

Again, I would bet less than .001%.

Libs LOVE these outlandish scenarios which very rarely happen.

[n david]

You single, fatherless males may change your mind once you actually hear the heartbeat of a 6wk old baby in the womb, or watch on the 3/4d ultrasound of a baby in first trimester moving around in the womb. With arms, legs, fingers and toes.

I cannot believe some of you are actually trying to defend or justify the murders of innocent babies.

But hey, if you're worried about losing friends....offer the kid up to your sex god Baal.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Proves nothing and is a reach. The baby isnt alive during the first trimester. First trimester isnt wrong.

A man has zero say in a womens body and if she keeps a kid. Zero.

fmc - we obviously disagree, but I would like to continue the dialogue.
I also framed the argument incorrectly, earlier. It really is not about when the baby is "alive", but about when it has a "soul".
Would you agree with that?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

What is mirder?

And no, it isn't murder to save the life of the mother. And tell me, how many of the millions of abortions which occur are actually due to this reason?

I would bet it's less than .001%.


Yes. Put the child up for adoption. You don't kill the baby. Again, of the millions of abortions each year, how many are for this reason?

Again, I would bet less than .001%.

Libs LOVE these outlandish scenarios which very rarely happen.

Doesn't matter if they happen once or a 1 million times. If it really is murder it's important to consider. If you want to give a pass to the mother in such situations then it's kind of hard to stick to your principled stance that it is murder.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

What if...what if. If ands or buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

Yes, absolutely, if a child is placed in your care and you refuse to care for it and allow it to die, you're a murderer.

I don't care if it had a disease. I don't care if it was left on your doorstep. I don't care if you *gasp* lost friends or a job because you're caring for them. Nor any other ridiculous and asinine hypothetical situation you make up.

Do you have kids? From the ignorance of your post, I doubt it.

If we did live in such a world I know what I would do with the child if left on my doorstep. I would leave it on ndavids. I can avoid being a murderer and still not have to sacrifice for a kid that is not mine!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

fmc - we obviously disagree, but I would like to continue the dialogue.
I also framed the argument incorrectly, earlier. It really is not about when the baby is "alive", but about when it has a "soul".
Would you agree with that?

Can it have a soul before it is alive?

[jfrog]

ndavid, how do you justify a mother with only a chance to die murdering her baby 100% of the time with abortion?

Seems as long as the mother has even a chance of living that her actions of 100% murder against the unborn baby should not be conisdered self defense?

Now if it can be guaranteed that the mother would die without abortion then I can understnad you allowing her one in that situation as self defense. But not sure how you justify any other unborn baby murders as self defense?

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Doesn't matter if they happen once or a 1 million times. If it really is murder it's important to consider. If you want to give a pass to the mother in such situations then it's kind of hard to stick to your principled stance that it is murder.

There's a difference between having to save the life of the mother and abortion for convenience. If you're too ignorant to figure it out, I can't help you.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

If we did live in such a world I know what I would do with the child if left on my doorstep. I would leave it on ndavids. I can avoid being a murderer and still not have to sacrifice for a kid that is not mine!

Read what you're posting, because you're not even talking about an abortion here....you're describing a scenario in which a child has already been born and placed at your door.

And you're publicly posting you would rather murder this child than be inconvenienced by taking care of it.

You're sick. I hope to God you never have any children. I'd be afraid for their lives. If your posts are any indicator, you'd be the parent we'd read about who killed their child because they wanted their social life back.