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[n david]

You're just a liberal partisan hack. obama can do nothing wrong. Republicans are evil racists.



F&F was the obama admin, not W's. There was a different op which was similar under W, but F&F was 100% the obama admin.

And it certainly wasn't some plan by the GOP to make him look bad. he does that all by himself.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It is different because Obama hasn't gone anywhere yet.

Do you even KNOW about the good things the Obama Admin has done for the military and military families? Do you even know about what Obama has done to rectify the claims for disability problem the VA had at the time that he took office? You probably don't know because it doesn't fit your mental narrative of Obama.

Obama wasn't forced to resign.

Rumsfeld was.

Of course it's different for obama...he's your boy!

Please do post...what has obama done to fix the issue his admin created with the VA.

That mini skirt and the pom poms make you look ......

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

You're just a liberal partisan hack. obama can do nothing wrong. Republicans are evil racists.



F&F was the obama admins, not W's. There was a different op which was similar under W, but F&F was 100% the obama admin.

And it certainly wasn't some plan by the GOP to make him look bad. he does that all by himself.

You are right.

The tactic of "gun walking" started in 2006, but Operation Fast & Furious , which utilized "gun walking" as one of their techniques to track weapons started in 2009.

Go read up on the strides the VA in handling the backlog of disability claims since Obama has been in office. The recent pay raise that he ENSURED would happen for the military-- with or without an agreed upon budget, look that up too. Michelle Obama's work with military families and spouses in particular, look it up.

[n david]

"Look it up" .... ie "I ain't got nuthin."

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

And it certainly wasn't some plan by the GOP to make him look bad. he does that all by himself.

I didn't say it was a plan to make him look bad.

This is what I said.

Fast and Furious didn't begin under the Obama Admin. That is established fact, but the GOP wants to make Obama the fall guy for a bad operation that went south on his watch. The buck stops with him, but Fast and Furious wasn't Obama's baby.

I was wrong. Operation Fast and Furious did begin on Obama's watch.

2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious[edit]

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, acting ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][38][39] Those at the meeting apparently did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but Phoenix ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.

As always, the buck stops with the President, but neither he nor Attorney General Holder were connected to the decision to continue the use of the "gun walking" technique.


So you would just like to blame the whole thing on Obama or maybe on Holder-- but to do so wouldn't be accurate.

If Holder could have been FORCED to resign or impeached, don't you think the GOP would have done so while he was in office?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

"Look it up" .... ie "I ain't got nuthin."

Good night.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If Holder could have been FORCED to resign or impeached, don't you think the GOP would have done so while he was in office?

Speaking of Eric Holder...he holds the distinction of being the first and only AG held in both civil and criminal contempt for lying under oath.

In June of 2014, there were 26 co-sponsors on a bill to impeach Holder.

Holder then announced his resignation two months later.

Of course, I'm sure you have some excuse for him. Evil, racist GOP.

[aegsm76]

So it was the "rogue" ATF agents in Phoenix, huh.
Just like the "rogue" IRS agents in Cincinnati.

Wiki also has this to say:
"However, other accounts of the operation insist that ATF agents were prevented from intervening not by ATF officials, but rather by federal prosecutors with the Attorney General's office,"
"We found that the lack of seizures and arrests was primarily attributable to the pursuit of a strategic goal shared by both the [Phoenix] ATF and the U.S. Attorney's Office"
"As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012.[19][20] Earlier that month, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency over the same documents.[21][22]"

So the AG's office was well aware of this...
Not just some "rogue" ATF supervisor.

[Esaias]

Trump has appeal because people are fed up. He's the wrecking ball, no more, no less.

You guys don't hear that giant sucking sound, yet? Don't worry, you will, eventually.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I didn't say it was a plan to make him look bad.

This is what I said.

Fast and Furious didn't begin under the Obama Admin. That is established fact, but the GOP wants to make Obama the fall guy for a bad operation that went south on his watch. The buck stops with him, but Fast and Furious wasn't Obama's baby.

I was wrong. Operation Fast and Furious did begin on Obama's watch.

2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious[edit]

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, acting ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][38][39] Those at the meeting apparently did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but Phoenix ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.

As always, the buck stops with the President, but neither he nor Attorney General Holder were connected to the decision to continue the use of the "gun walking" technique.


So you would just like to blame the whole thing on Obama or maybe on Holder-- but to do so wouldn't be accurate.

If Holder could have been FORCED to resign or impeached, don't you think the GOP would have done so while he was in office?

The GOP had no interest in impeaching anybody, they had no interest in repealing Obamacare, they have no interest in shutting down Dept of Education, they have no interest in (insert latest campaign rhetoric here).

Cartoons for the masses.