Pastor steals more than $60K from church.

[good samaritan]

If David had of killed Saul would we have thought any less of him? Probably not.

I think it gives example to us to have a right heart no matter if vengeance seems justifiable. I think if we shared the same respect for all our brothers and sisters in the Lord we would be so much better off. Not an easy task though.

[n david]

"Touch not mine anointed" is a cliche overused by some Pastors on a power trip. They're neither His nor are they anointed.

At least in the experiences I've personally had.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, if I poison the well about you personally, and back bite your reputation so badly that you have no more backside to sit down with, doesn't that equate to physical harm? If I put it out there all this bad PR about you, that no one will fellowship you, not even the devil? Doesn't that equal physical harm?

David didn't want to kill Saul, because it was God who called Saul, and gave Sual his position. David's main focus was, "Saul, I love you, and I don't want to hurt you."

David wanted to have Sual understand that David loved him, and wouldn't do anything to harm him. That is why when the Amalekite finished off a dying Saul, David had the Amalekite killed. Not for revenge, but because he loved Saul, and respected the position. A position which was given by God.

Of course bad P.R. could cause harm to someones reputation. I believe in context it is referring at that time to physical harm.

The [touch not] has been used to strike fear in the commoners. A person in leadership under this can wreck havoc and no one should say anything? Pastors are not anointed kings but servants. We all are anointed, we all are brethern and accountable to each other.

[good samaritan]

A lot of people self deemed anointed. We must be afraid to touch what truly God has anointed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

If David had of killed Saul would we have thought any less of him? Probably not.

I think it gives example to us to have a right heart no matter if vengeance seems justifiable. I think if we shared the same respect for all our brothers and sisters in the Lord we would be so much better off. Not an easy task though.

If David would of killed Saul, it would of not had been anything worth noting. Retaliation in the warrior cast is expected. But the issue was more love of the man, plus his God given position. Vengeance feels good to the warrior, killing the enemy is praised and honored by all. Yet, we have been given mercy, and we are to show mercy, we are to let our debtor free no matter how much he owes us. Especially when we are in the greatest need of that money.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

"Touch not mine anointed" is a cliche overused by some Pastors on a power trip. They're neither His nor are they anointed.

At least in the experiences I've personally had.

No doubt, but still just because someone who isn't worthy uses the verse for their own gain, doesn't lessen the verse's meaning. There are people walking around who call themselves Navy Seals who have never even set a foot in the military, that is called stolen valor. Yet, when we experience a jack leg who calls himself a preacher and he can't remember his BUDs training class # then we throw all preachers and pastors under the bus? That's not only wrong, that is uncool.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Of course bad P.R. could cause harm to someones reputation. I believe in context it is referring at that time to physical harm.

Still it is deeper than that. The entire story plays that out.

Originally Posted by Rudy

The [touch not] has been used to strike fear in the commoners. A person in leadership under this can wreck havoc and no one should say anything? Pastors are not anointed kings but servants. We all are anointed, we all are brethern and accountable to each other.

We are all anointed, we are all brethren, but we are not all apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists and teachers. I'm real sorry, but the New Testament still outlines a church governing body made up of different parts, with Christ as Head. When people start to get upset with "a" ministry they usually do it by shooting down all ministers. That is not only throwing out the baby with the bath water, but going outside to run the baby over with a tractor.

[good samaritan]

12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

People should recognize those who labor in the work of the Lord. None should lord over another, but we should show respect to those devoting their self to the ministry of God. Give credit where credit is due.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

People should recognize those who labor in the work of the Lord. None should lord over another, but we should show respect to those devoting their self to the ministry of God. Give credit where credit is due.

No doubt, and cut the preacher some slack, especially his wife and children.

Sometimes you read these forums you would think that all pastors are driving Ferraris and lighting cigars with thousand dollar bills.

Good grief.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No doubt, and cut the preacher some slack, especially his wife and children.

Sometimes you read these forums you would think that all pastors are driving Ferraris and lighting cigars with thousand dollar bills.

Good grief.

Only you guys in Fort Lauderdale