Heaven is for Real Movie

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

CJ, so your meaning of "it is not our response that saves us?"

Please explain this thought?

My response to Jesus finished work is not to get God to save me. My response is entering into relationship with God, Jesus made that possible. Israel couldn't endure the mountain, because of the gulf between God and man, Jesus as a man bridged that gulf and brought all of humanity with Him.

As the scripture says, I died with Christ, I was raised with Christ, and I am now seated with Christ at the right hand of the Father. That is the position NOW of all mankind, and as soon as the Body of Christ declare these facts, the Good News will cover the earth "... as the waters cover the seas..." He has completely UNDONE Adam, man is reconciled to God.

We don't know who we are, we've lost our identity, and our home address, Jesus came to create the way home. Now the Father is looking longingly for every prodigal to "come to himself" and head for home.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

WOW! How did I miss all this?

You see this is where you get into question begging.

You state since sin was brought into the world by one ADAM therefore by one JESUS we ALL gain salvation? In your system, since we didn't do anything "personally" to be damned therefore we don't have to anything "personally" to be saved? Is this what you are saying yes, or no?

I'm saying we CAN NOT to anything to save ourselves, it requires a work of the Creator. Man has always been at work to save himself, but has always failed.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Nothing we do saves us, Jesus has already completed that. However, our response is necessary to actually enter into the life that is possible because of that finished work of God.

This is puzzling because in the below post you make statements which contradict themselves unless you can clarify. But you never seem to clear this up. Repentance is necessary? Do you know the definition of the word necessary? OUR RESPONSE is IMPORTANT? Again, do you understand the definition of the word important? If our response to the Gospel is important, and necessary, then how can our response not be part of salvation? You know Peter does say "save yourself from this untoward generation." John writes in 1st John 3:3 that we are to purify ourselves as He is pure. Therefore you comments concerning your doctrine are very contrary to your own statements of what is "necessary" and what's "important."

Originally Posted by crakjak

Repentance is necessary to enter into life, our response is very important, but it is not our response that saves us. Our response is simply entering into what Jesus has already completed. No problem here with the book of Acts.

Originally Posted by crakjak

Christians do all kinds of things to "please" God, it is all "filthy rags" to make us right with God. Muslims, Buddhists, and your favorite Hindus, also do all kinds of things to try to "please" God. It is all worthless to save.

Favorite is Apostolic.

Hindus are brought up because they remind me of Hyper Calvinists.

Please God? Yet, you are saved by Grace but are still judged by works, hence James in his epistle, plus the warnings to the churches in the book of the Revelation. Jesus tells the churches "I know thy Works?'

Remember you said "necessary" and "important" care to clarify those two words and what they mean to you?

Originally Posted by crakjak

However, if one says they believe and continue in their sin, they reap the harvest not of the life that is theirs in Christ.

So, if you continue in"sin," then isn't that a response?

Originally Posted by crakjak

If I really believe, I will also pursue knowing God and desiring His righteous fruit in my life, trusting Him to bring it about.

CJ, really believe? To pursue? You are pursuing something, therefore it is a response to the what you are trying to obtain. Meaning you are doing something! Desire? Would you care to give your definition of the word desire? It seems to me that your teaching has a whole lot of "doing" going on? These things which you claim to be "necessary" and "important."

Originally Posted by crakjak

All worldly religions believe in an angry God, bent on punishment, rather than the true God, who is for us, and always has been. The delusion in human minds, are in the manmade gods, mythological god of manmade religion.

Sorry, but you still have to deal with Jesus saying broad is the way to damnation and narrow is the way to eternal life. Jesus says one doorway is wide to damnation and the other one is tight to eternal life, but few a small number which enters into eternal life. God is for us, but we are the ones with the problem, not Him.

Originally Posted by crakjak

The wrath of God was/is on the evil that has overtaken his creation, and Jesus Christ is His response. Jesus was literally God entering into His creation to UNDO Adam, and He has cured the disease, sin and death are defeated, and will soon be completely destroyed, then God will be "...ALL IN ALL..." Then "... every knee will bow and every mouth will confess...to the glory of God the Father..."
He entered into the creation, took on our sin, darkness, and our death, and He will completely redeem the WHOLE creation, which is the result of His completed work at the cross, and just as importantly the incarnation.

Yet, we are back to doing things which are "necessary" and "important" your words not mine.


Please explain your thoughts.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Thank you for bringing them up.

When a Hindu has a near death experience and they see Krishna does that mean Krishna is real to them or to us?

Just stirring the pot a little.
I'm not Hindu, but I think Christ died for hindu's too.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Is this what you are saying yes, or no?

EB is CJManzell/Robert Sanders/Trying2DoRight!!!!!

Originally Posted by Robert Sanders

Does your righteousness exceed my righteousness? Yes or no?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Shawn

Just stirring the pot a little.
I'm not Hindu, but I think Christ died for hindu's too.

I believe Jesus was crucified and resurrected for all mankind to be saved, but all mankind isn't saved unless the enter into the salvation which Jesus obtained.

I also understand the pot stirring, but the question remains, when a Hindu has a near death experience and sees Vishnu does that mean Vishnu is real to them or to us?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

EB is CJManzell/Robert Sanders/Trying2DoRight!!!!!

You had a big bowl of Mini-Wheats today I see.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You had a big bowl of Mini-Wheats today I see.

Nah, Raisin Bran w/no HFCS.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Nah, Raisin Bran w/no HFCS.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/no...u-1153173.html

http://www.drbriffa.com/2010/12/28/t...s-think-again/

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/no...u-1153173.html

http://www.drbriffa.com/2010/12/28/t...s-think-again/