Given the choice, would it be better to live in Israel than Saudi Arabia? What middle eastern country would be a better place to live than Israel?
I can think of none. It's not because of it's religious leanings though, it's because of the personal freedoms which exist there that do not exist in other middle eastern countries.
Given the choice, would it be better to live in Israel than Saudi Arabia? What middle eastern country would be a better place to live than Israel?
I can think of none. It's not because of it's religious leanings though, it's because of the personal freedoms which exist there that do not exist in other middle eastern countries.
This is why it's important to align with Israel.
in particular, as we are discussing the situation associated with the liked story from SLATE, we have a situation in this freedom loving nation that they are trying to correct.
Lets suppose that IN AMERICA there was a population of people, living nomadically within the boarders of this country on land that was not "owned" by anyone and these same people lived a subsistance poverty stricken existance. And they refused to allow their children to attend any schools. In particular, they kept their daughters illiterate on purpose, utterly without any education and utterly dependant on a domanant male population. These girls were given away in marriage at ages as young as 12 or 13.
What would be the sentiment? Would be be wringing our hands about "taking their land" which they do not own. Would we be upset that these peoples "way of life" was being exterminated?
Or would we put a stop to the utter horror of what they were doing?
Do we really care that these people have been living this way since the middle ages or before? Do we really care about that?
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Israel still practices a form of 'apartheid'. Remember when that was bad? SA anyone?
Again, lets put things in context. The people that Israel is trying to keep seperated from everybody else are the Palistinians who have a national stated objective of distroying the nation of Israel and seeing Jerusalem as the capital of an Islamists Palistinian nation.
I suggest to you that Isreal has been utterly patient with these people far more than I would have been.
I would have built me a huge bull dozer and pushed them all off into the Med.
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in particular, as we are discussing the situation associated with the liked story from SLATE, we have a situation in this freedom loving nation that they are trying to correct.
Lets suppose that IN AMERICA there was a population of people, living nomadically within the boarders of this country on land that was not "owned" by anyone and these same people lived a subsistance poverty stricken existance. And they refused to allow their children to attend any schools. In particular, they kept their daughters illiterate on purpose, utterly without any education and utterly dependant on a domanant male population. These girls were given away in marriage at ages as young as 12 or 13.
What would be the sentiment? Would be be wringing our hands about "taking their land" which they do not own. Would we be upset that these peoples "way of life" was being exterminated?
Or would we put a stop to the utter horror of what they were doing?
Do we really care that these people have been living this way since the middle ages or before? Do we really care about that?
No, we'd really not care to the extent we do. It's really about the oil. I mean, look at poverty stricken equatorial Africa. If the oil was in equatorial Africa to the extent it's in the middle east, we'd be more interested in equatorial Africa.
The politics of the area is oil driven, not religious driven.
No, we'd really not care to the extent we do. It's really about the oil. I mean, look at poverty stricken equatorial Africa. If the oil was in equatorial Africa to the extent it's in the middle east, we'd be more interested in equatorial Africa.
The politics of the area is oil driven, not religious driven.
well, im not sure I agree completely.
First off, we are talking about Isreal. the issue this tread started over, is unrelated to oil.
I was addressing the very specific issue from the linked article.
I think we would all freak out and go berzerk if there were people living in America who were acting like the Bedouins. We would collectively demand the government go in and move them off to some place and insure their kids got educations.
Now, I do agree that supporting Israel as a stable democracy in the ME is related to the geo-political reality of the area. This whole area is very important economically (oil) and stratigically (again related to oil) to the rest of the world. The US is part of the rest of the world, and stability demands we care more about this area than we do subsaharian Africa.
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Is modern day Israel really a nation, and a people, established by God? If so, God has established an antichrist nation-people, a view which I have trouble accepting.
1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
I guess one could call it that. I don't believe there's one plan for Israel and another for non-Israel. Israel or non-Israel, the only redemption is by the blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus the Christ.
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