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Old 06-02-2007, 02:59 PM
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So if don't believe ANYTHING from "these" newspaper reporters; are there any print reporters you believe in the secular press?

I wonder how Lee Grady from Charisma feels about these guys!

....I probably already know how he feels. :sshhh

I'm sure he knows everything and he is right about one thing
many are getting tired of it . maybe that's why house churches are becoming increasingly popular amongst charismatics ?
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:29 PM
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Well- I know exactly how LG feels about it all and his boss won't let him write about all of it - because of revenue! LOL

The bottom line in all of it is MONEY. Charisma, Without Walls and the rest of them - the bottom line is not ministry - it is MONEY.
I have known LG personally for over 30 years and know it sickens him. Did you know that he joined the IPH here in the North GA conference and is a frequent guest speaker up here at Emmanuel College where his daughters go? I was with him at his ordination here. He is a great guy and really wanted to foster a spirit of fellowship among Trinitarians and Oneness - but it backfired and he said - you have never read as much hate mail in your life - as what he got from UPC and Oneness people! I had talked with him at length before the article came out and he really loved the Manguns and POA and some other places he had been. He said that MIKE WILLIAMS was very nice to him! LOL - I thought I would have a HEART ATTACK when he said that! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well- I know exactly how LG feels about it all and his boss won't let him write about all of it - because of revenue! LOL

The bottom line in all of it is MONEY. Charisma, Without Walls and the rest of them - the bottom line is not ministry - it is MONEY.
I have known LG personally for over 30 years and know it sickens him. Did you know that he joined the IPH here in the North GA conference and is a frequent guest speaker up here at Emmanuel College where his daughters go? I was with him at his ordination here. He is a great guy and really wanted to foster a spirit of fellowship among Trinitarians and Oneness - but it backfired and he said - you have never read as much hate mail in your life - as what he got from UPC and Oneness people! I had talked with him at length before the article came out and he really loved the Manguns and POA and some other places he had been. He said that MIKE WILLIAMS was very nice to him! LOL - I thought I would have a HEART ATTACK when he said that! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a shame if this is true, because I thought the article was balanced - even though I did not agree with it all.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:36 PM
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Well- I know exactly how LG feels about it all and his boss won't let him write about all of it - because of revenue! LOL

The bottom line in all of it is MONEY. Charisma, Without Walls and the rest of them - the bottom line is not ministry - it is MONEY.
I have known LG personally for over 30 years and know it sickens him. Did you know that he joined the IPH here in the North GA conference and is a frequent guest speaker up here at Emmanuel College where his daughters go? I was with him at his ordination here. He is a great guy and really wanted to foster a spirit of fellowship among Trinitarians and Oneness - but it backfired and he said - you have never read as much hate mail in your life - as what he got from UPC and Oneness people! I had talked with him at length before the article came out and he really loved the Manguns and POA and some other places he had been. He said that MIKE WILLIAMS was very nice to him! LOL - I thought I would have a HEART ATTACK when he said that! ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not just Oneness people talking about P & R White. Many charismatics are discusing it and saying " NOT AGAIN" " WHO"S NEXT" ??

What is IPH ???

I read about him speaking at his daughter's college. He wrote an article about it.

He ought to set up a symposium , oneness debating Trins. I would drop everything to attend that ! it would be historic
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:49 PM
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Paula White may make people feel better about themselves; she may address the symptoms of some temporal issues people deal with.

But ministry that doesn't have a clue how to tell someone to get to Heaven isn't really ministry in the Scriptural sense.

My comment stands. And it really has nothing to do with how much money she makes. It's about the fact that she isn't preaching truth to people.
I see people like her as Reworked Anthony Robbins using the name Jesus and quoting a few scriptures.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:56 PM
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It's not just Oneness people talking about P & R White. Many charismatics are discusing it and saying " NOT AGAIN" " WHO"S NEXT" ??

What is IPH ???

I read about him speaking at his daughter's college. He wrote an article about it.

He ought to set up a symposium , oneness debating Trins. I would drop everything to attend that ! it would be historic
You are toooooooooooooo funny! Your Blond roots are showing!!!!!!!!!!!
Read my post again - I did not not say anything about the Whites in reference to Oneness! I know the whole charismatic world is talking about it! Most Apostolics - have no clue who they are!

IPH - International Pentecostal Holiness Church
Emmanuel College is an IPH college located here in Franklin Springs (in the middle of NOWHERE) in North GA. IT takes forever to get there from ANYWHERE! It is where the IPH was founded. They also have a Fire Baptized Holiness Church there too! Just thought I would throw that in!

Lee hates all the fighting and name calling. Steven Strang's family were VERY involved in the early days of the NEW ISSUE split and there are still bad feelings over the whole water baptism/Godhead fight. There is as much bad feelings on the Trinity side as there is on the Oneness side - in some areas.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:57 PM
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There is a newspaper reporter here that writes horrible things about Bishop Eddie Long, Dr. Crefflo Dollar and others. I mean he really works at making them look bad. I wrote him to tell him that I was praying for him as some preacher must have really hurt him bad to write such terrible things of preachers. I apologized to him on behalf of all preachers who had hurt or disappointed him.

I have always liked Randy and Paula and they have been nice to me. I do not agree with them doctrinally but I have seen where they have come from and the horrible pit they came out of and it makes me sad that some idiot newspaper reporter that barely makes $30,000 a year can write about someone who is worth multiple millions. These reporters have no clue! They cannot relate in any way to someone that makes millions. They do not report the news - they make most of this stuff up or twist it to make preachers look bad.

I do not agree with anyone that lives immorally or exploits people for money. But it goes on in the UPC as well as every other movement.

I heard NAU raise money for a multitude of things and then never heard about it again. I has been said - it was raised on FALSE PRETENSES! No one ever knew where the money went - NO checks and balances.

I raised major money for UPC churches and for the Home Missions Dept - only to be rebuked because I rented a Town Car to do it in! I certainly did not get the money - and the ones that did - never did appreciate the sacrifices made to raise it.

Let God deal with Randy and Paula - He will and they will get what is coming to them! You don't have to be so harsh on everybody and DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ IN THE NEWSPAPERS!!!!!!!!! I have NEVER been quoted correctly in any newspaper article that I was quoted in. NEVER!
Why does the reporters income matter or who he is reporting on? Are you saying only a multimillion dollar reporter can accurately report on those that have millions of dollars?
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Still feel the same JT ??
Yes I do. Everyone has an agenda not just Randy and Paula. Do I think it is a little excessive? Sure, but if people want to follow their ministry then so be it.
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Stephen - I do understand your comments but my aggravation comes from these low life Anti-God, Anti-Church reporters who don't know anything about God, Church or money. Their main goal is to forward their own liberal agenda and get more publicity for themselves like the reporter that REALLY WORKED at bringing Jim Baker down. The bottom line with them is - This expose is gonna put money in MY pocket! When people say - it is all about money - that is true - its about the reporter putting more money in HIS pocket.

I do not for one second condone anything immoral, unethical or illegal that the Whites have done. I just do not believe anything these idiot newspaper reporters write. In my book - they are worse than RATS - looking for trash!
Was Jim Bakker innocent?

Just because they attempt to expose the frauds in their views does not make them anti-God or anti-Church. Would you have supported someone exposing Jim Jones before it was too late? How about abusive UPC pastors?
How about men like Robert Tilton?
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If you recall, Eddie Long Prophecied to his People that if they invested in Mark Hanby's Religious TV network( kingdom Truth) They would become millionaires. The whole thing was a fraud and was connected with Earl Paulk. a lot of people lost money.
Really? Is that true? That is so disappointing and corrupt if true
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