The Oneness Anti "Christ" doctrine ....

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It wasn't funny while the Spanish fellowship dealt w/ the fallout ... of this thing.

Funny as in STRANGE -that this was a divisive issue.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Funny as in STRANGE -that this was a divisive issue.

Not strange ... when you understand the dynamics and the pre-texts involved .... it was to give the appearance of HOLINESS ....

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

There used to be a group around Nashville called The Church Of The Firstborn at least I'm told that denied the name Christ and would only baptize in the name Of Jesus.I understand they taught that when Jesus Christ was in the grave that heaven and earth was vacant of God.
Perhaps Elder Epley has encountered that teaching.

They became Yahweh folks.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

BUMP .... Has anyone heard of this teaching????

Theodore Fitch taught this in his books, Also a Sam Officier out of Cleveland Tn. taught this but later went into the Yahweh heresy.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Theodore Fitch taught this in his books, Also a Sam Officier out of Cleveland Tn. taught this but later went into the Yahweh heresy.

Fitch taught the anti- "Christ" doctrine??? ... ironic ... wasn't he considered "racist" in some of his views ... he'd be proud to see how some of the Hispanos took up his cause.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Fitch taught the anti- "Christ" doctrine??? ... ironic ... wasn't he considered "racist" in some of his views ... he'd be proud to see how some of the Hispanos took up his cause.

He may have not taught it in this extreme but did teach Christ was not proper to use that Jesus ALONE was the name. And taught not to use Lord or Christ but ONLY Jesus. He taught the white race was the lost tribes of Isreal yes.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I remember, in the early 1990's, here in Houston, there were a group of ultraconservative churches headed by some extreme pastors who were killing the rest of the Spanish-speaking fellowship for using the word "Cristo" or Christ.

They believed that those who used the term lacked revelation and were somehow unholy being that Jesus is his name. Christ was reference to his flesh .... They asserted that after the resurrection, and his subsequent glorification, he was no longer the Christ [flesh] .... the Christ died at Calvary.

They even formulated a well-thought out doctrine to support this belief. They sought to lift the name of Jesus Christ and shunned those that used "Christ" in their testimonies, songs, or preachings.

Dozens of songs containing Christ/Cristo were edited and the name Jesus replaced the blasphemous lyrics .... even if it disregarded rhyme or the author's intent

It was their new "revelation", and air of higher spirituality, that brought huge division and problems to the Spanish work especially here in the Houston area.

Ironically, some of these ministers leading "the revelation" were dealing with other immoral issues.

Even today, this teaching is pervasive in many Spanish speaking churches, especially here in the South.

I also recall Bishop Scotty Teets stating that this teaching was formulated many years ago by an American pastor ... does anyone know anything about the genesis of this teaching ?

This is a prevalent teaching even in UPCI churches today? Wow, didn't know that...

I call Jesus, "Father," a lot even over the pulpit...I don't know if it makes anyone nervous, thinking I might have Trinitarian tendencies...

I like calling Him Father, as I had no father growing up...makes sense to me...

Of course, I love His Name, it is the most powerful name ever uttered

Originally Posted by Jekyll

This is a prevalent teaching even in UPCI churches today? Wow, didn't know that...

I call Jesus, "Father," a lot even over the pulpit...I don't know if it makes anyone nervous, thinking I might have Trinitarian tendencies...

I like calling Him Father, as I had no father growing up...makes sense to me...

Of course, I love His Name, it is the most powerful name ever uttered

Jekyll,

I think this group would have less problem with you calling Jesus "Father" than merely Christ... they very clearly identify (ied) Christ as the anointed flesh that was crucified. They, as do I, believe (d) that the resurrected flesh is no longer the Christ but it is the glorified body of the Almighty God who is Jesus. I do not make an issue of the use of "Christ" because I think the work of the anointed flesh of God continues in perpetuity through the shed blood and broken body. I do not, however, identify Jesus in the office of the son any longer; rather I identify him solely as the Almighty God, Jesus!

Please, I do not wish to debate the subject. I was deeply wounded in a discussion by one of the esteemed posters on one of the predecessors of AFF and I do not desire to go there again. Suffice it to say that I do not view the teaching of the continuing sonship as heretical, simply different than my view.

[SDG]

Phil,

I do not seek to offend. Just curious. How do you reconcile your belief w/ this passage?

1 Corinthians 15

0But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.


22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.


28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

They became Yahweh folks.

Thank you Elder Epley I didn't know whatever became of that Jesus Only bunch in TN .