Well, the Emperor does it again

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

After talking with a woman for several hours about her pov concerning her son-in-law who is one of those children brought here by his parents, who are now deceased, I have to agree with this post.

According to her, he has now grown up and is "stuck" here. He knows nobody in Mexico and has no known family in Mexico. He is not receiving tax refunds that he is entitled to. He pays taxes, even with a fake SS# and will never collect those retirement benefits if he ever lives here long enough to retire. All that money will go into the SS pool for Americans.

He is continually harassed at roadblocks for various reasons although there are laws that they cannot be profiled for undocumentation. He has paid thousands and thousands of dollars to lawyers as a result of his vehicles being impounded and for them to help him become a "documented" alien, which he is here through no choice of his own.

Some will call him a criminal for being here illegally, but perhaps he is a victim of his circumstances.

We often do not see the tragic consequences of the personal lives of people who only want to feed their children.

It is well known that the large corporations and our government would allow the hispanics (migrant workers) to come and help with the agriculture harvest, but then would kick them back out very coldly when they are not needed anymore.

And yes, there is a household of hispanics that live about a 1/2 mile from me and I am not going to notify any agency of them being there. Why should I? The Sheriff Department is well aware that they live there. I do not know if they are legal or illegal and I am not going to ask. They keep to themselves, are pleasant when they do interact with us. They cause no harm to the neighbors and pay their local bills on time.

Not notifying a federal agency of their presence does not make me or anybody else a criminal. If federal law is that law enforcement cannot ask immigrants of their legality, what good would it do for anybody to report them? They are an exploited and persecuted group of people here in America and I am not going to add to their persecution.

Although I do not think that Obama has written this executive order because of any love he has for these people, I can admire that it is a brilliant political move on his part...a one-up on Romney.

And I do not believe that Romney is telling the truth about executive orders being a "short-term" solution to anything. There are executive orders on the books from 70 or more years ago and those will be legal to enact should any president choose to enact any of those orders. He said he will "rescind" those orders, but what will he "rescind" those orders with?

Congress has been trying to pass "amnesty" laws for decades. The government allowed this uncontrolled immigration to happen for reasons known to them.

Perhaps it is government not being honest to the American people as to why they will not enforce federal immigration laws that have the people so riled up?

[Jermyn Davidson]

I posted a link to his deportation record on another thread earlier this year-- I can't get my google to work properly right now.


That war on terror-- the amateur Commander-in-Chief sure is enjoying a nearly 4 year stroke of beginner's luck with his decisions and record.

Libya-- an obvious good call on his part-- a decision made without the "help" of war-mongering Rumsfield and Cheney.

A significant portion of the American auto industry-- he had an oracle to tell him what do, right?

For better or for worst, he showed conviction with Healthcare-- a political stick-to-it-tive-ness that Romney doesn't have.

Liberals were maniacally biased in their attacks and lack of recognition for GWB and you stoop to their level when you refuse to recognize the good that has happened under the Obama Administration.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Congress can also revoke a presidential executive order by passing a bill by a veto-proof (2/3 vote) majority. For example, in 2003 Congress unsuccessfully attempted to revoke President Bush's Executive Order 13233, which had rescinded Executive Order 12667 (Reagan). The bill, HR 5073, did not pass.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/presi...tive_order.htm

Wonder why the media did not report the above? Of course, we will never see this. They all know what the plan is...to harmonize all of North America in accordance to NAFTA so they will never rescind orders from any sitting president that advances the North American Union.

Here's some questions fer some of ya'll. Why is it against the law for law enforcement to question hispanics for their legality of being in America?

Why did Former President George W. Bush call the minutemen "vigilantes" when they watched the border and called on Border Patrol when they detained undocumented immigrants crossing the border?

Why is the Obama Administration suing Arizona for enacting their own law that mirrors the exact same law for immigration that the Federal Government has on the books?

All of this would be a great thing if he had done this via Executive Order, but according to what was said all weekend is that he didn't do this via Executive Order... he just announced policy change... bypassed Congress.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I posted a link to his deportation record on another thread earlier this year-- I can't get my google to work properly right now.


That war on terror-- the amateur Commander-in-Chief sure is enjoying a nearly 4 year stroke of beginner's luck with his decisions and record.

Libya-- an obvious good call on his part-- a decision made without the "help" of war-mongering Rumsfield and Cheney.

A significant portion of the American auto industry-- he had an oracle to tell him what do, right?

For better or for worst, he showed conviction with Healthcare-- a political stick-to-it-tive-ness that Romney doesn't have.

Liberals were maniacally biased in their attacks and lack of recognition for GWB and you stoop to their level when you refuse to recognize the good that has happened under the Obama Administration.

JD - insofar as his record in the war on terror, he continued GWB's policies, so no surprise there.
Libya - your response is very telling. If GWB had done this the libs would have screamed. But, it is ok for BHO and even praiseworthy.
Hypocrites...
Auto - all about protecting the Union base. If GM had been forced to go with minimal government help, they might have been able to come out as a viable long term company.
Obamacare - all the ultra-cons are screaming that Mitt showed BHO how to do it and paved the path. Your stick-to-it comment reeks of the "only Obama would have had the guts to kill OBL." commentary.
Here is what I have to say good about the above.
I am glad he continued GWB's policies.
I cannot criticize him on Libya, IMO, because I supported GWB on Iraq and Afghan. However, I have grown weary of us being the world's policeman. I have grown weary of seeing people I know dying in these wars.
Obamacare - this will be a financial windfall for my company. So, thank you BHO!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

All of this would be a great thing if he had done this via Executive Order, but according to what was said all weekend is that he didn't do this via Executive Order... he just announced policy change... bypassed Congress.

I thought it was funny when Fox news played a video clip of Obama stating last fall that he couldn't do what he just did. That it would be illegal.

Now magically a few months later it appears it is legal! (at least in his mind).

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by CC1

I thought it was funny when Fox news played a video clip of Obama stating last fall that he couldn't do what he just did. That it would be illegal.

Now magically a few months later it appears it is legal! (at least in his mind).

This guy is an expert in soft Tyranny and is just trying to mirror Hugo Chavez....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

After talking with a woman for several hours about her pov concerning her son-in-law who is one of those children brought here by his parents, who are now deceased, I have to agree with this post.

According to her, he has now grown up and is "stuck" here. He knows nobody in Mexico and has no known family in Mexico. He is not receiving tax refunds that he is entitled to. He pays taxes, even with a fake SS# and will never collect those retirement benefits if he ever lives here long enough to retire. All that money will go into the SS pool for Americans.

He is continually harassed at roadblocks for various reasons although there are laws that they cannot be profiled for undocumentation. He has paid thousands and thousands of dollars to lawyers as a result of his vehicles being impounded and for them to help him become a "documented" alien, which he is here through no choice of his own.

Some will call him a criminal for being here illegally, but perhaps he is a victim of his circumstances.

We often do not see the tragic consequences of the personal lives of people who only want to feed their children.

It is well known that the large corporations and our government would allow the hispanics (migrant workers) to come and help with the agriculture harvest, but then would kick them back out very coldly when they are not needed anymore.

And yes, there is a household of hispanics that live about a 1/2 mile from me and I am not going to notify any agency of them being there. Why should I? The Sheriff Department is well aware that they live there. I do not know if they are legal or illegal and I am not going to ask. They keep to themselves, are pleasant when they do interact with us. They cause no harm to the neighbors and pay their local bills on time.

Not notifying a federal agency of their presence does not make me or anybody else a criminal. If federal law is that law enforcement cannot ask immigrants of their legality, what good would it do for anybody to report them? They are an exploited and persecuted group of people here in America and I am not going to add to their persecution.

Although I do not think that Obama has written this executive order because of any love he has for these people, I can admire that it is a brilliant political move on his part...a one-up on Romney.

And I do not believe that Romney is telling the truth about executive orders being a "short-term" solution to anything. There are executive orders on the books from 70 or more years ago and those will be legal to enact should any president choose to enact any of those orders. He said he will "rescind" those orders, but what will he "rescind" those orders with?

Congress has been trying to pass "amnesty" laws for decades. The government allowed this uncontrolled immigration to happen for reasons known to them.

Perhaps it is government not being honest to the American people as to why they will not enforce federal immigration laws that have the people so riled up?

Allen West says he's 'dejected' by Romney's answers on immigration

"I guess I feel a little bit dejected because I think that it goes back to what my mother taught me, 'a man must stand for something, or else he’ll fall for anything,' " West said on the Laura Ingraham radio show.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...on-immigration

[canam]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

jd - can you give me a link for your deportation claim.

He has not flip-flopped or wavered on his convictions?
Funny!
What about gay marriage?
No flip flop there!!!!
Even this move is a flip-flop.
Two years ago he stated he could not do anything on this issue without congress help.
He stated this in a tv interview with a major hispanic network.
Now he has flip-flopped and done it.

The differences with his flip-flops and romney's are that bho's are taking him to a more liberal position and romney's to a more conservative position.

Many of those who support bho are now asking if he has crossed the line of presidential power.
Just remember, that at some point, the repubs will regain the power and bho is setting precedents for the use of presidential power that they will use, as well.
Insofar as being a political savvy leader and not an amateur.
He is politically savvy, especially in the chicago style of politics.
He is still an amateur at actually being potus.

"obama guy " cant be convinced , careful thats his hero !!

[Jermyn Davidson]

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011...zed-immigrants

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...al-immigrants/

[canam]

ya and now he letting in a million so he done nothin !!!