Stunning Sermon On The Great Tribulation

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by shag

TGBTG, This isnt Matt. 24, but would you say that this was intended for, and fullfilled in the generation of whom Jesus was speaking to?


Luke 11: Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. 48 In fact, you bear witness that you approve the deeds of your fathers; for they indeed killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.

Yeah, why?

Matt 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (u wanna ask about this???)
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Ok, I was mistaken, but don't you believe in fulfilled prophecy in the preterist sense?

Nah..., MTD is FULL BLOODED post-trib...

[shag]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Yeah, why?

Matt 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (u wanna ask about this???)
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Yeah just curious the difference to you.

And hey now.. dontcha know U cant be a pre trib or mid trib rapture proponet, cause if Jesus destroys death at the 2nd coming, how r folks gonna die in a tribulation at all? J/K!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is some of the very best end time teaching I have heard. I ask you to spend 55 minutes listening to this message. This kind of teaching is very rare. It could change your life.

Mike Bickle teaching on the Great Tribulation and the Kingdom Of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6AEI...eature=related

He is separating the gospel of forgiveness from the gospel of the kingdom. Really??
To prove that the gospel of the kingdom (Matt 24) will be preached. He says the gospel of forgiveness has been preached but not the gospel of the kingdom.

The gospel of FORGIVENESS if sins IS the gospel of the kingdom

Col 1
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Rom 28
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

He speaks well on repentance though...

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by shag

Yeah just curious the difference to you.

And hey now.. dontcha know U cant be a pre trib or mid trib rapture proponet, cause if Jesus destroys death at the 2nd coming, how r folks gonna die in a tribulation at all? J/K!

Let me get back to you on this, have to go sleep

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Dude, this is not convincing at all to say the least...

In fact, I am now more pre-trib after watching this clip...lol

He's appealing to emotional radicalism...IMO

Well I dont think this was aimed at convincing pre tribs. Its was speaking to people just on the basis that post trib is true.

You can read my teaching of the post trib rapture here:

http://www.freeforum101.com/inthelig...rum=inthelight

When the judgments of God begin to hit the nations and the saints are being killed for Jesus name you will become a post trib probably.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

He is separating the gospel of forgiveness from the gospel of the kingdom. Really??
To prove that the gospel of the kingdom (Matt 24) will be preached. He says the gospel of forgiveness has been preached but not the gospel of the kingdom.

The gospel of FORGIVENESS if sins IS the gospel of the kingdom

Col 1
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Rom 28
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

He speaks well on repentance though...

There is such a thing as THE FULL GOSPEL.

The good news of the kingdom of Christ will sound good by the end of the trib.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Do you believe the book of Corinthians was written to a specific group of people at a specific time in history? How about Ephesians? Was it written to a certain group of people in a certain time of history? Was the book of Timothy written to a certain man in history who lived 20 centuries ago?

See where this leads? It leads to making the Bible irrelevant. I dont go there. The destruction of Jerusalem was a preview of Christs prophetic teaching. If Jesus came and gathered the saints together and established his kingdom in 70 ad then prets are right.

yes, it was written to them. Who else was it written too. for example romans states "to all that be in rome"

[Amanah]

Paul told them to share the letters he wrote to them with other churches.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Paul told them to share the letters he wrote to them with other churches.

Exactly because they were all disciples. The teachings of Jesus are relevant to all the believers. Not just those in the first century as prets would have it.