I am apostolic

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Timmy

The question is: who is the most Apostolic (now)?

The who has obeyed Acts 2:38 and immulates Jesus.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.

Trinitarians believe Jesus is God, they just disagree with us on how He's God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

how about these scriptures, do you think they are enough?

1. "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39

2. "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me" Isaiah
43:10

3. "I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me" Isaiah
44:6

4. "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none"
Isaiah 44:8

5. "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God" Isaiah 45:5

6. "I am Yahweh, and there is none else" Isaiah 45:18

7. "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me" Isaiah 45:21

8. "I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me"
Isaiah 46:9

Trinitarians refuse to accept the fact that God has said that he is one. no matter how many times God himself says that he is one. In essence they are calling God a liar. And we know that liars shall be cast into the lake of Fire.
Either God is lying (and he has to send himself into the lake of fire) or trinitarians are lying.
So no I do not accept their displays of worship as fully authentic. (Good fakers, almost good enough to deceive OP)

Trinitarians think categorically. They believe God is one being who existis in three hypostasis (personal modes of existence).

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’
23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Nicodemus acknowledged in order to produce supernatural miracles, one must be endued with power from on high. Also, Peter in Acts 1:8 stated, "ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you"

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Now, to answer your question. These people in Matt 7 that performed miracles, prophesied, cast out devils, surely they were obedient, yes? Also, surely they recieved the Holy Ghost, yes? That would conclude they spoke in tongues, yes? Yet, they will be lost for eternity even though they were used? So it is with these Azusa street trinitarians.

Notice that they called Jesus "Lord, Lord", and invoked His name. They knew who Jesus was.

Jesus told them, "I never knew you". The point is, they were filled with the Spirit and never cultivated a relationship. So, this verse isn't about doctrine. Even a Oneness Apostolic can neglect their relationship with God, though they be filled with the Spirit and have correct concepts of doctrine.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Trinitarians believe Jesus is God, they just disagree with us on how He's God.

Read the chapter... Jesus is claiming to be the Father

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Now, to answer your question. These people in Matt 7 that performed miracles, prophesied, cast out devils, surely they were obedient, yes? Also, surely they recieved the Holy Ghost, yes? That would conclude they spoke in tongues, yes? Yet, they will be lost for eternity even though they were used? So it is with these Azusa street trinitarians.

No, those people were not obedient.

Matt 7
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Those people did NOT do the will of the Father

So what is the will of the Father?

John 6
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Read the chapter... Jesus is claiming to be the Father

Ontologically they believe that Jesus is the eternal Logos that eternally proceeds from the Father and is of the same essence as the Father. Theologically that makes the Logos the very same being as the Father.

The Logos is of the same essence, same substansia, and same nature (not "like nature", but "same nature"). So, though we see a distinct mode of consciousness (theologically defined as "person"), the Logos is the very same being we see in the person of the Father. If the Father is God, the Logos is that very same God in a distinct category of existence (Son/Redeemer). The coinherence between these hypostasis brings a perichoresis that allows each hypostases to essentially share in all that another hypostases is; without each compromising their distinction as it relates to their category of existence. Thus Jesus, being the Logos of the Father, eternally subsists as a distinct and living extension of the Father Himself expressed in time and space. Very God from very God.

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

No, those people were not obedient.

Oh really? Perhaps they received the Holy Ghost by being disobedient?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Oh really? Perhaps they received the Holy Ghost by being disobedient?

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

They did NOT do the will of the Father, hence, they were DISOBEDIENT

[Aquila]

The doctrine of the Trinity was formulated in an attempt to refute various errors (heresies). The doctrine of the Trinity refutes the notions:

-That Jesus was just a man (Ebionitism).
-That Jesus is a separate lesser being (Arianism).
-That Jesus is a temporary manifestation (Modalism).

The doctrine of the Trinity allows for a distinction between the persons of Father, Son, and Spirit...while affirming that they are the very same God from all eternity.