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[Rudy]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Tell that to Cornelius...

What about him?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Rudy

It was God who instituted Hitler. I would dare not consider taking out Governing Authority.

Oh, so the Holocaust was God's idea! Wow that explains so much! Thanks for the revelation!

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Oh, so the Holocaust was God's idea! Wow that explains so much! Thanks for the revelation!

Romans 13
Submit to Government

1.Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by Rudy

It was God who instituted Hitler. I would dare not consider taking out Governing Authority.

God instituted the "power", brother, not the man.

[Sabby]

People too easily forget that the power is ordained of God as a minister of justice. Note carefully that it doesn't say God instituted the individual IN POWER. The purpose of authority is to provide ordered, peaceful lives.
This is why an "instituted" authority should be a person that is merciful and just. This provides an even greater reason for Christians to be involved in political processes - providing you believe that Christians should be involved at all.

King George III of England, Hitler, Arafat, etc, proved they were not up to the level of being ministers of a righteous God. King George lost the colonies, Hitler lost the war (and his life) and Amin went into exile, thank God no longer a ruler.

To say that God instituted Hitler is wack

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Sabby

People too easily forget that the power is ordained of God as a minister of justice. Note carefully that it doesn't say God instituted the individual IN POWER. The purpose of authority is to provide ordered, peaceful lives.
This is why an "instituted" authority should be a person that is merciful and just. This provides an even greater reason for Christians to be involved in political processes - providing you believe that Christians should be involved at all.

King George III of England, Hitler, Arafat, etc, proved they were not up to the level of being ministers of a righteous God. King George lost the colonies, Hitler lost the war (and his life) and Amin went into exile, thank God no longer a ruler.

To say that God instituted Hitler is wack

So you are saying those who perceive to be good God appoints? Did God appoint Pharaoh? It gets worse, did he appoint Satan?


Exodus 9: 16 Darby Bible Translation
And for this very cause have I raised thee up, to shew thee my power; and that my name may be declared in all the earth.

Speaking of Pharaoh.



It is God who sets up kings and removes them.

Dan 2:21. And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Job 34:24
He breaks in pieces mighty men without inquiry, and sets others in their place.

Also do we pick and choose who God wants at the ballot box? Our battles are spiritual. God rules the nations. The U.S. has been slaughtering people since its birth. What man is up to the task?

[kclee4jc]

So what was the vote?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

So what was the vote?

I gave up voting. My only instruction concerning governing authority is to pray for them--and yes that includes Mr. Obama.

Oh my!

[OP_Carl]

Pentecostal soldiers can hum a few lines from their old WAP hymnal as they take sight on the enemy and tighten their trigger fingers:

Jesus, hold my hand . . . . steady.

[FlamingZword]

As a Oneness believer I felt no conflict whatsoever when I was in the Military.
I had no problem shooting my weapon and learning about war.

I almost went into combat, but the whole thing was called off at the last minute.
When I was waiting to go into actual combat I had no doubts about what I was doing.
I had no problem praying at all.

I took my inspiration from Joshua, Caleb, David, Gideon, Elisha, Cornelious and the early Roman Christian soldiers, which did their duty.