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Praxeas · #51 02-17-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

FROM CHURCH BELIEF STATEMENT:

Salvation

We believe that Jesus Christ, by His sufferings, by the shedding of His own blood, and by His death on the Cross, made a full atonement for all human sin, and that this Atonement is the only ground of salvation! We believe that repentance, which is a sincere and thorough change of the mind in regard to sin, involving a sense of personal guilt and a voluntary turning away from sin, is demanded of all who have by act or purpose become sinners against God. The Spirit of God gives to all who will repent the gracious help of penitence of heart and hope of mercy, that they may believe unto pardon and spiritual life, walking in obedience to the Word of God.

Water Baptism
Christians are people who believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, salvation occurs only when a person places his or her faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the sufficient payment for his or her sin. The Church of Champions believe that all believers, in obedience to God’s Word are to be baptized by immersion in the Name of The Lord, thus being buried with Christ in baptism, which was commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, being a command signifying acceptance of the benefits of the atonement and faith in Jesus Christ.

I wonder if he is saying he believes everyone is saved at the moment of repentance

#52 02-17-2007, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

FROM CHURCH BELIEF STATEMENT:

Salvation

We believe that Jesus Christ, by His sufferings, by the shedding of His own blood, and by His death on the Cross, made a full atonement for all human sin, and that this Atonement is the only ground of salvation! We believe that repentance, which is a sincere and thorough change of the mind in regard to sin, involving a sense of personal guilt and a voluntary turning away from sin, is demanded of all who have by act or purpose become sinners against God. The Spirit of God gives to all who will repent the gracious help of penitence of heart and hope of mercy, that they may believe unto pardon and spiritual life, walking in obedience to the Word of God.

Water Baptism
Christians are people who believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, salvation occurs only when a person places his or her faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the sufficient payment for his or her sin. The Church of Champions believe that all believers, in obedience to God’s Word are to be baptized by immersion in the Name of The Lord, thus being buried with Christ in baptism, which was commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ himself, being a command signifying acceptance of the benefits of the atonement and faith in Jesus Christ.

I guess I am just missing something because I think that sounds UPC too.

SDG · #53 02-17-2007, 01:03 AM

This is a PCI statement ... PRAX ... no doubt ...

#54 02-17-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is a PCI statement ... PRAX ... no doubt ...

PCI? Means what?

LadyChocolate · #55 02-17-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OneTruth

I guess I am just missing something because I think that sounds UPC too.

maybe you should call him up and ask him????

let him know he was heavily discussed on the internet!!!

jk

SDG · #56 02-17-2007, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OneTruth

I guess I am just missing something because I think that sounds UPC too.

This statement is antithetical to the Affirmation statement ...
A careful examination shows

1. No mention of Acts 2:38
2. Salvation is made available at repentance ... through faith
3. No mention of Jesus name baptism ... only name of the Lord
4. Water baptism does not bring remission of sins according to this statement
5. Baptism is an act of obedience

#57 02-17-2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This statement is antithetical to the Affirmation statement ...
A careful examination shows

1. No mention of Acts 2:38
2. Salvation is made available at repentance ... through faith
3. No mention of Jesus name baptism ... only name of the Lord
4. Water baptism does not bring remission of sins according to this statement
5. Baptism is an act of obedience

Still debatable I think. But I can see how it sounds like you say. So if he has teamed up with KPhillips and Huchins to do a TV thing is that what they believe too? I thought PCI was initials for a group like UPC.

In my neck of the woods Acts 2:38 just wasn't debatable. You believed it or not.

SDG · #58 02-17-2007, 01:19 AM

No ... I think there is a divergent view ... Phillips is very PAJC ... I still dont have a handle on Hutchin soteriological views although our church belief statement is similars to West's ... also those who are joining the New Church Order are not all Acts 2:38 folks.

#59 02-17-2007, 01:21 AM

So basically they believe that people can be saved outside of Acts 2 38?

SDG · #60 02-17-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OneTruth

Still debatable I think. But I can see how it sounds like you say. So if he has teamed up with KPhillips and Huchins to do a TV thing is that what they believe too? I thought PCI was initials for a group like UPC.

In my neck of the woods Acts 2:38 just wasn't debatable. You believed it or not.

PCI refers to the Pentecostal Church Incorporated .... which merged with the PAJC to form the UPCI .... some in the PCI did not hold the tradtional Acts 2:38 postion ... for more info go to:

Christianity without the Cross