The poor in America

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I thought you'd be all for a more "Christian" government And if Christians help the poor then it would make sense for a Christian government to also help the poor? Am I missing something?

Ha... good point, jfrog.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I thought you'd be all for a more "Christian" government And if Christians help the poor then it would make sense for a Christian government to also help the poor? Am I missing something?

We are directed to help the fatherless and widows with our resources.
If we help them with resources taken from someone else, that is not what was directed.
Thus, churches/individuals are directed to help, not the government.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I thought you'd be all for a more "Christian" government And if Christians help the poor then it would make sense for a Christian government to also help the poor? Am I missing something?

You describe an Obama tactic we call a false dicotomy.

If you reject taxes to feed the poor, You are not a Christian.

Obama set up two claims both false and then is preference as an alternative.

We can uncouple the Christian gubment and substitute taxes.

Conservitives do want to assist the poor. Their want job growth to do that. Liberals want taxes to do it.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives...oice-nonsense/

Does a Christian gubment support Planned Parenthood?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

We are directed to help the fatherless and widows with our resources.
If we help them with resources taken from someone else, that is not what was directed.
Thus, churches/individuals are directed to help, not the government.

That's all?

Did you read any of those verse I posted?

As far as role of government in that, that's debatable and each believer is subject to their own opinion. As believers we should definitely do our best to promote justice though.

The monarchy with Jehovah as King, and his nation called Israel, was definitely a government-mandated caring for the poor. I don't think that translates dogmatically into a secular democracy... but just as a side note.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by coadie

You describe an Obama tactic we call a false dicotomy.

If you reject taxes to feed the poor, You are not a Christian.

Obama set up two claims both false and then is preference as an alternative.

We can uncouple the Christian gubment and substitute taxes.

Conservitives do want to assist the poor. Their want job growth to do that. Liberals want taxes to do it.

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives...oice-nonsense/

Does a Christian gubment support Planned Parenthood?

The last conservative to care (or at least be effective) concerning taxes or job growth was probably Nixon.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

That's all?

Did you read any of those verse I posted?

As far as role of government in that, that's debatable and each believer is subject to their own opinion. As believers we should definitely do our best to promote justice though.

The monarchy with Jehovah as King, and his nation called Israel, was definitely a government-mandated caring for the poor. I don't think that translates dogmatically into a secular democracy... but just as a side note.

In the NT we don't have a centralized religious government. I believe the intent is more on a local level rather than a centralized secular government.

And for the most part secular government has proven to be ineffective and wasteful

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

The last conservative to care (or at least be effective) concerning taxes or job growth was probably Nixon.

Why do you say that no conservative since Nixon was concerned about taxes and job growth?

We had pretty good job growth under Bush until the last term.

We don't need to raise taxes either. We need more jobs and more people working who will in turn pay income tax

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In the NT we don't have a centralized religious government. I believe the intent is more on a local level rather than a centralized secular government.

And for the most part secular government has proven to be ineffective and wasteful

I don't believe the Bible speaks to political science.

This is the beauty of believers having varied opinions about the best role for government in matters of justice. It's a diversity that I respect -- and I cringe whenever religious leaders pull Jesus on the side of their political team.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why do you say that no conservative since Nixon was concerned about taxes and job growth?

We had pretty good job growth under Bush until the last term.

We don't need to raise taxes either. We need more jobs and more people working who will in turn pay income tax

The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years, a fraction of the 23 million jobs created under President Bill Clinton‘s administration and only slightly better than President George H.W. Bush did in his four years in office.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/...ord-on-record/

Nothing to brag about for sure. And, in the process, he increased the nation's deficit to record numbers, an awkward position for a so-called fiscal conservative.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why do you say that no conservative since Nixon was concerned about taxes and job growth?

We had pretty good job growth under Bush until the last term.

We don't need to raise taxes either. We need more jobs and more people working who will in turn pay income tax

The records show job growth until Congress went to the donkeys.

Under Bush at one point there were at one point 52 consecutive months of job growth.