Missing Wisconsin Democrats - Page 6

Truthseeker · #51 02-18-2011, 02:34 PM

Just fires the ones that left. not complicated

Jermyn Davidson · #52 02-18-2011, 03:31 PM

It's my understanding that the Republican Governor of Wisconsin would not attempt to negotiate with the Democrats until the very last minute.

Could it be that the only legal way to block any further action is to vacate the capitol?

How is the law set up in Wisconsin? Could their legislature be overruled by the Governor? I bet you there is some kind of loop hole in their laws that would allow for the Governor to do what he thinks is right with or without the support of the legislature.

So what better way to stop that whole process dead in its tracks than to just not show up?

I'd almost call it cowardice, but I would almost guarantee that there is some kind of legal loop hole that can only be guarded against by such drastic measures as simply leaving the state.

The Democrats who are protesting aren't protesting over money. They're protesting over their "collective bargaining rights"-- which does appear to be a pointed attack on their Union.

If these Democrats have already stated that they are willing to face monetary cuts, why not compromise and leave their Collective Bargaining Rights alone for another battle?

The teachers and other public servants who continue to abandon their jobs would be FIRED and replaced, if I were in charge.

The effects of their actions are far reaching and should not be tolerated, if they continue to abandon their duties.

Nevertheless, painting the Democrat leaders in a bad light for leaving is not wise when we don't have the whole story and I am convinced that we don't have the whole story.

Digging4Truth · #53 02-18-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Nevertheless, painting the Democrat leaders in a bad light for leaving is not wise when we don't have the whole story and I am convinced that we don't have the whole story.

There is no scenario barring physical threats to their very lives that would allow for one vacating their position for the purpose of preventing a vote.

Jermyn Davidson · #54 02-18-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

There is no scenario barring physical threats to their very lives that would allow for one vacating their position for the purpose of preventing a vote.

If the outcome of that vote can be trumped at will by the Governor, then vacating the capitol would be their only form of protection for their constituents and protest against tyranny-- ESPECIALLY if their attempts to reach out to that Governor were ignored before.

Digging4Truth · #55 02-18-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If the outcome of that vote can be trumped at will by the Governor, then vacating the capitol would be their only form of protection for their constituents and protest against tyranny-- ESPECIALLY if their attempts to reach out to that Governor were ignored before.

You don't protect your constituents with total disregard of all the OTHER constituents in the state that have other representatives that they have duly elected to make their voice heard.

You do your job. You vote your constituents voice. If their voice is in the majority... they get what they wanted. If their voice is in the minority... they don't.

That's pretty simple.

You don't stop democracy in it's tracks when what your people want is not assured. The majority of the people in the state voted in republican representatives and their voice is as important as the voices of the other 14 areas.

We called this a hissy fit when I was a kid.

Let me ask you this.

If the tables were turned and this was a vote for obamacare on a state level and the repubs left the state because they were going to lose. What would be your take then?

Jermyn Davidson · #56 02-18-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

SS - so you would support Republicans walking out over legislation they disagreed with?
But had no chance to stop except for a walkout.

I'm not SS, but depending on the issue, yes I would support the Republicans, Independents, or whoever taking such a drastic chance with their careers.

For Sam:

The only jerk here appears to be the Republican Governor who in this case refused negotiations and is using this season as a reason to attack their Union.

They have already plainly stated that they are willing to talk money cuts.

Why not compromise and leave their "Collective Bargining Rights" alone for now?

The Democrats are standing up for what they believe is right by doing this.

How grateful we should be for Democracy and what freedom affords us!

Digging4Truth · #57 02-18-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I'm not SS, but depending on the issue, yes I would support the Republicans, Independents, or whoever taking such a drastic chance with their careers.

So whether or not it is a good thing to walk out and shut down democracy depends on the issue?

And probably on which side of the issue the walkouts fall on too. So far... it's just a democrat thing.

Let's hope it stays that way

Digging4Truth · #58 02-18-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The only jerk here appears to be the Republican Governor who in this case refused negotiations and is using this season as a reason to attack their Union.

Negotiations are a meeting of two sides willing to compromise.

Barring two sides willing to compromise there are no negotiations. Negotiations aren't a right.

Don't we know it over Obamacare.

aegsm76 · #59 02-18-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I'm not SS, but depending on the issue, yes I would support the Republicans, Independents, or whoever taking such a drastic chance with their careers.

For Sam:

The only jerk here appears to be the Republican Governor who in this case refused negotiations and is using this season as a reason to attack their Union.

They have already plainly stated that they are willing to talk money cuts.

Why not compromise and leave their "Collective Bargining Rights" alone for now?

The Democrats are standing up for what they believe is right by doing this.

How grateful we should be for Democracy and what freedom affords us!

JD - I am willing to state that SS would not support the Republicans if they did this.

aegsm76 · #60 02-18-2011, 04:09 PM

Average MPS Teacher Compensation Tops $100k/year
[Milwaukee, Wisconsin] MacIver News Service – For the first time in history, the average annual compensation for a teacher in the Milwaukee Public School system will exceed $100,000.

That staggering figure was revealed last night at a meeting of the MPS School Board.

The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011.

http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/...tops-100kyear/

Hmmm.