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01-23-2011, 04:56 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind
Hearsay. And there are approximately 27 exceptions to the hearsay rule, in federal rule alone. Or so I have been told
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Indeed. I just checked my horn book on Federal rules and there are 175 pages explaining hearsay and the exceptions.
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01-23-2011, 04:59 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Originally Posted by Liberal
Yes, but he clearly could be presenting these insinuations simply to plant the thought and then claim that he doesn't believe it. It's like me saying, "I've heard people talk about Baron being an alcoholic...but I don't believe it's true."
He's given the accusations credibility just by bringing it up. It's enough for people to say, "Hmmm......".
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I don't think so. I think he's saying - if the revisionists are to be believed (that the three-steppers didn't really believe the one-steppers were truly saved), then this is the logical conclusion of their argument.
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01-23-2011, 05:03 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Yes, but he clearly could be presenting these insinuations simply to plant the thought and then claim that he doesn't believe it. It's like me saying, "I've heard people talk about Baron being an alcoholic...but I don't believe it's true."
He's given the accusations credibility just by bringing it up. It's enough for people to say, "Hmmm......".
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Nope. He is quoting the revisionists and taking their assertions to their logical conclusions.
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01-23-2011, 05:04 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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I don't think so. I think he's saying - if the revisionists are to be believed (that the three-steppers didn't really believe the one-steppers were truly saved), then this is the logical conclusion of their argument.
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Nope. He is quoting the revisionists and taking their assertions to their logical conclusions.
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Oops I was beat to it.
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01-23-2011, 05:21 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*
I don't think so. I think he's saying - if the revisionists are to be believed (that the three-steppers didn't really believe the one-steppers were truly saved), then this is the logical conclusion of their argument.
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Yes, I understand all that. What I'm saying is, if one throws out a story and then goes about saying why he doesn't believe the story is true, the story is still out there and now needs to be dealt with.
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01-23-2011, 05:34 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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No he said the new generation...He is saying if the revisionists are right with their claims then the first generation were liars, hypocrites, etc...but he doesn't believe the revisionists.
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Ok...but doesn't that make the revisionists liars? That's what Im looking for, who are the revisionists? Who is making these claims? what quotes?
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01-23-2011, 05:36 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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No, What he is saying is that if the revisionists are to be believed then the previous generation was no good.
The fact is the revisionists are not just saying things but writing them. The fact that something is said doesn't mean that it would be excluded by hearsay rules...far from it.
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The part in bold is the problem...WHO are the revisionists? What did they say?
If it is a fact, someone give us some information that are in the dark. I have no idea what MM is speaking of...
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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01-23-2011, 05:37 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Nope. He is quoting the revisionists and taking their assertions to their logical conclusions.
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He did not quote anyone. There were no quotes.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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01-23-2011, 05:37 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
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Originally Posted by Liberal
Yes, I understand all that. What I'm saying is, if one throws out a story and then goes about saying why he doesn't believe the story is true, the story is still out there and now needs to be dealt with.
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Exactly..I have no clue what this is about.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-23-2011, 06:07 PM
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Re: PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES
The three stepper view of their one step brethren has changed for sure. But for the most part we are not even talking about the same people. So i guess it just shows that change is inevitable.
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