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Old 05-09-2007, 05:28 PM
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But did not Jesus say to his disciples I will be with you even in you ? I'll have to find that scripture.
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But working in and through people - yes!
If we are talking about all the giftings and prophets up to John the Baptist, AMEN, YES, I fully agree.

The contrast being considered here is notable.
Jesus' reference to the least in the Kingdom being greater than the John (as the greatest prophet born of a woman) and the witness of John 7:39 require reconcilation with the idea that D.A. has advanced that there is no means available using word etymology to deferentiate what happened to Elizabeth and what happened at the upper room on the day of Pentecost.

Bro Strange applauded D.A.'s greek scholarship, I now ask Bro Strange to provide his understanding to reconcile Luke 7:28 and John 7:39.

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But's here the deal what is the difference in receiving ,being baptized filled with The Holy Ghost after Calvary ?
If the disciples were a -ok why did they have tarry in the upper room before they could even preach or teach in NT. church ?
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Here is another question when did The NT. church begin ?
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I have no formal theological degree but I do know there is a difference in the Old and New Covenants ?
What does this mean ,For The Kingdom Of God is not meat and drink but peace and joy and righteousness in The Holy Ghost ?ROM 14:17
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But's here the deal what is the difference in receiving ,being baptized filled with The Holy Ghost after Calvary ?
If the disciples were a -ok why did they have tarry in the upper room before they could even preach or teach in NT. church ?
scott,
not sure who you are tossing the question to but I certainly agree that it would be very poor hermenuetics to discard the multiple settings involved with Jesus' living waters invitation (Jn 7:38-39), his breathing on them and speaking "receive ye the Holy Ghost" (Jn 20:22) the instruction to tarry until ye be endued with power, and mostly the whole Feast day (appointed days) pertaining to the first fruit and the harvest (week of weeks).

Can any harvest PRECEED THE FIRST FRUITS??? That's not the ugly grip of disspensationalism, that just basic husbandry!
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Just for information and perhaps you already know this....

There are OT scriptures that talk about people having the Holy Spirit IN them.
I know David made mention about it in his psalms, but I don't believe it to be the same as Luke saying that certain people were filled with the Holy Ghost. Don't know why I don't believe it's the same, but I see it more like God being WITH them.

God spoke through Moses, but I don't think it's accurate to say Moses was filled with the Holy Ghost, know what I mean? I know that's not what you said, but I'm just clarifying my belief.
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I know David made mention about it in his psalms, but I don't believe it to be the same as Luke saying that certain people were filled with the Holy Ghost. Don't know why I don't believe it's the same, but I see it more like God being WITH them.

God spoke through Moses, but I don't think it's accurate to say Moses was filled with the Holy Ghost, know what I mean? I know that's not what you said, but I'm just clarifying my belief.
I understand what you're saying. I stumbled on these scriptures I mentioned earlier reading through the latter chapters of Job a couple weeks ago.

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But in the other accounts in the book of Acts ,where people were Spirit filled did you ever read where cloven tongues rested on anyone's head?
The Bible says that a sound from Heaven came as a mighty rushing wind ,as in Acts 2:2 do you ever find that happening in the Bible anywhere else ?
HO when you received The Baptism Of The Holy Ghost did you speak in a tongue that did not know ?,you did what they did in ACTS.2:4
But some also prophesied. I didn't. I know others who didn't.

I have to wonder how speaking in tongues is a sign of the Holy Ghost when the devil can speak in tongues also. I've seen people do that and it definitely wasn't the Holy Ghost!
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scott,
not sure who you are tossing the question to but I certainly agree that it would be very poor hermenuetics to discard the multiple settings involved with Jesus' living waters invitation (Jn 7:38-39), his breathing on them and speaking "receive ye the Holy Ghost" (Jn 20:22) the instruction to tarry until ye be endued with power, and mostly the whole Feast day (appointed days) pertaining to the first fruit and the harvest (week of weeks).

Can any harvest PRECEED THE FIRST FRUITS??? That's not the ugly grip of disspensationalism, that just basic husbandry!
I was just tossing this question to whosoever will.
You see my background is Trinity Pentecost and they taught a measure of The Spirit doctrine but I don't see it.
My former Pastor Ken Sumrall when I was a kid preached from Dake's notes.
Trust me I'm not a dispensationalist.
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