I personally think that women trying to control whether their men have affairs or whether their children have accidents through the length of their hair is a Jezebel "spirit of control".
Whatever, I don't have time for mind games tonight Newman.
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Hello? Just because you know of what you speak, doesn't mean I do unless you mean to suggest that women everywhere usurp authority and/or hold men in contempt. I have never seen it in church (that I am aware of). Sorry to burst your bubble.
I have two observations after having read this thread.
1. It is obvious to me that some specific incidents and persons have you upset and concerned about the subject of this thread.
2. After reading the thread I can't help but think that your real concern is not really what you stated in the opening of the thread. You presented the issue that concerns you as one of "seperation" when in fact it seems to me it is one of a spiritual nature, not physical dress.
I agree with ILG's posts where she pointed out that the problems you descirbed with wome have nothing to do with how long their hair is or how they dress (as long as it is modest). You yourself pretty much bear that out in later posts as you said you did not lose the three families over standards as you don't harp on them.
I have seen Pentecostal women with hair down to their butt and not a stitch of makeup on who had domineering personalities and treated their husband like a dog. I have also seen women with makeup on, slacks, and jewelry do the same.
So unless you are talking about a woman dressing in black leather with a whip I don't think the dress code is a factor.
I think what you are facing as a pastor is pervasive in our society because of feminism, the low status our society gives to stay at home moms and wives, etc.
Compounding that is the number of women who either have to work outsie the home or think they do (to maintain a higher standard of living). When women have to deal with men as either equals or subordinates on the job 40 hours a week it can affect their relationships with men in all aspects of their life.
Add to that the great number of single mother in our society today who are having to do it all themselves and you have yet another recipe for disaster when it comes to deferring to men or acknowledging the biblical roles given to each gender.
Hello? Just because you know of what you speak, doesn't mean I do unless you mean to suggest that women everywhere usurp authority and/or hold men in contempt. I have never seen it in church (that I am aware of). Sorry to burst your bubble.
It took place in a church I was once a member of. Some of the older women, having known my pastor since he was a little boy, thought they could 'suggest' ideas to him about what and what not to preach when he took over the pastorate. Not a good idea.
Those women were kinda miffed when he didn't allow them to get into his head like that. There were at least two of these women who told me themselves they were upset at him for that, so I know it happened.
He preached on, and still is. Those women still attend there, but they don't suggest to him what he should preach....LOL!
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I think what you are facing as a pastor is pervasive in our society because of feminism, the low status our society gives to stay at home moms and wives, etc.
Compounding that is the number of women who either have to work outsie the home or think they do (to maintain a higher standard of living). When women have to deal with men as either equals or subordinates on the job 40 hours a week it can affect their relationships with men in all aspects of their life.
Add to that the great number of single mother in our society today who are having to do it all themselves and you have yet another recipe for disaster when it comes to deferring to men or acknowledging the biblical roles given to each gender.
Did you read my post and copy?
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I did and I noticed that while you had to work your entire marriage you made a conscious effort to not let that affect the "distinction", as PP puts it, of your different roles in the home.
You are the exception to the rule these days. I think it is hard for many younger women to do that. Partly because many of them did not have godly mothers as examples in the home.
My daughter is the weirdest mix of 21st century and old fashioned. She is a modern independent woman in many ways but yet is adamantly opposed to a woman being President.
I did and I noticed that while you had to work your entire marriage you made a conscious effort to not let that affect the "distinction", as PP puts it, of your different roles in the home.
You are the exception to the rule these days. I think it is hard for many younger women to do that. Partly because many of them did not have godly mothers as examples in the home.
My daughter is the weirdest mix of 21st century and old fashioned. She is a modern independent woman in many ways but yet is adamantly opposed to a woman being President.
I agree.
The messages they are bombarded with from society plays a HUGE role in this too.
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Master of Science in Applied Disgruntled Religious Theorist Wrangling
PhD in Petulant Tantrum Quelling
Dean of the School of Hard Knocks
I think what you are facing as a pastor is pervasive in our society because of feminism, the low status our society gives to stay at home moms and wives, etc.
Compounding that is the number of women who either have to work outsie the home or think they do (to maintain a higher standard of living). When women have to deal with men as either equals or subordinates on the job 40 hours a week it can affect their relationships with men in all aspects of their life.
Add to that the great number of single mother in our society today who are having to do it all themselves and you have yet another recipe for disaster when it comes to deferring to men or acknowledging the biblical roles given to each gender.
I think these are great observations.
You communicated here some of what I was thinking yesterday afternoon in regard to this topic and you've done it much better than I could have which is the reason why I didn't. I just didn't know if I could articulate clearly what I was thinking.
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I have two observations after having read this thread.
1. It is obvious to me that some specific incidents and persons have you upset and concerned about the subject of this thread.
2. After reading the thread I can't help but think that your real concern is not really what you stated in the opening of the thread. You presented the issue that concerns you as one of "seperation" when in fact it seems to me it is one of a spiritual nature, not physical dress.
I agree with ILG's posts where she pointed out that the problems you descirbed with wome have nothing to do with how long their hair is or how they dress (as long as it is modest). You yourself pretty much bear that out in later posts as you said you did not lose the three families over standards as you don't harp on them.
I have seen Pentecostal women with hair down to their butt and not a stitch of makeup on who had domineering personalities and treated their husband like a dog. I have also seen women with makeup on, slacks, and jewelry do the same.
So unless you are talking about a woman dressing in black leather with a whip I don't think the dress code is a factor.
I agree with this CC, BUT I have also seen preachers Prophets, evangelist who preached, spoke in tonuges, heald the sick BUT who committed adultery- do we stop believing in preachers, prophets and evangelist?? Do we do away with tongues and miracles because there were some who lived a double life??
jesus said he would seperate the wheat from the tares. I think that people use excuses such as " there's too many Hypocrites in the church" to do whatever, even stop attending church altogether
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