Has Hell Disappeared?

[DAII]

Here's the rub: Some want Hell to be a primordial doctrine yet we can't agree on basics like the distinctions like Hades and Gehenna while some slam those who don't teach it their way.

While some use a soup of scripture to force an interpretation .,.

If there is no consensus within the Church as there appears to be for other core doctrines - what do we teach the sinner to fear, as some propose?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Some would argue that this was a part of "God's Progressive Revelation." They would say that "eternal punishment" was hinted at in Genesis 3:15, along with a hint of the coming Messiah - though neither doctrine was fully developed until much later.

Others point to the Babylonian Exile and the exposure of the Jewish people to Persian Zoroastrianism, a religion with an already fully developed concept of a "Lake of Fire" and such.

Me? I go with coadie. "Hell" is the Obama administration.

I didn't say that. It came from quoting or miss quoting Queen Michelle.

Actually in this hedonist culture, lack of pleasure is "hell" for some.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Our "FEAR" in Jude 1:23 is CONTRASTED with the lack of "FEAR" described in Jude 1:12.

Jude first warns us about those who lack the proper "fear of God" (reverence). He later informs us that by us showing the proper reverence, our examples could be used to lead "some" of the irreverent back to salvation.


oh, and Obama is a socialist. That too. FWIW.

The fear in verse 23 is NOT reverence. It is 5401 in the Strongs Greek Dictionary. It means "to put in fear" also "alarm or fright"-be afraid+exceedingly,fear, terror.

This accurately shows the emotion experienced when one considers the fate of the lost.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The fear in verse 23 is NOT reverence. It is 5401 in the Strongs Greek Dictionary. It means "to put in fear" also "alarm or fright"-be afraid+exceedingly,fear, terror.

This accurately shows the emotion experienced when one considers the fate of the lost.

I think you've misread your Strong's. The primary root is φέβομαι (phebomai) which means "to be put in fear." This is a different word and involves a different usage.

The word in verse 23 is "phobos." The antithesis of "phobos" (φόβος) is aphobōs (ἀφόβως) and is used by this same author in verse 12. Two attitudes are being contrasted. We are to "fear" as we reach out to those who lack this attitude.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you've misread your Strong's. The primary root is φέβομαι (phebomai) which means "to be put in fear." This is a different word and involves a different usage.

The word in verse 23 is "phobos." The antithesis of "phobos" (φόβος) is aphobōs (ἀφόβως) and is used by this same author in verse 12. Two attitudes are being contrasted. We are to "fear" as we reach out to those who lack this attitude.

I thought thats what I said?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The fear in verse 23 is NOT reverence. It is 5401 in the Strongs Greek Dictionary. It means "to put in fear" also "alarm or fright"-be afraid+exceedingly,fear, terror.

This accurately shows the emotion experienced when one considers the fate of the lost.

With regard to "NOT reverence" - the word "phobos" is used many times in the Greek NT to describe "reverence."

Acts 2:43, where the word is "fear" in the KJV but "awe" in just about every other translation.

More examples: Acts 9:31; 2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 5:21; 1 Peter 1:17, 1 Peter 3:2.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I thought thats what I said?

If you said, "pelathais is good looking and has a full head of hair," then you of course are correct. If I misunderstood, then it probably is because I was busy doing my hair.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes Hell has vanished away in the minds of those who think YHWH need not be feared. Yet his word stands strong and true as always.

Mark 9:42-48

42] And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

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Is there really going to be worms in hell? Are they fire proof worms???

Is it possible to really enter heaven with our body with a missing eye?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen.

Jude was saying WE NEED FEAR for the lost souls, not instill fear in them.

I like what one wise old preacher told me. Preach hell, but only if you tell them about how to go to Heaven.

No, not at all. The entire book of Jude is given to addressing apostasy within The Church, and this includes verse 23. When dealing with those that are teaching falsely, approach them, deal with them, save them, with fear, or "With Caution". We should do this considering our own condition and not be damaged by those who have already "fallen away."

Verse 23 of Jude has nothing to do whatsoever with dealing with "The Lost."

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

No, not at all. The entire book of Jude is given to addressing apostasy within The Church, and this includes verse 23. When dealing with those that are teaching falsely, approach them, deal with them, save them, with fear, or "With Caution". We should do this considering our own condition and not be damaged by those who have already "fallen away."

Verse 23 of Jude has nothing to do whatsoever with dealing with "The Lost."

Eugene Patteron's exegesis of this:
22-23Go easy on those who hesitate in the faith. Go after those who take the wrong way. Be tender with sinners, but not soft on sin. The sin itself stinks to high heaven.

How can we be hard on sin and tender on sinners? What does this look like?