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Old 04-28-2007, 01:08 AM
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OK that does it! You are a racist!


Sorry, I forgot they do that in Arkansas also.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:14 AM
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The Indian people see it differently. They were here for God knows how long and along comes white man to turn this place into a white man's world, which is exactly what happened.

And yes, we crafted and built a great nation, but we started 500 years ago to get what we have today.

I'm not excusing what the illegals are doing, but I wonder how many of us would be here today had the Indians had border patrol back then and refused to let us all in.

See, I live in an area where there are several Indian tribes. There is a lot of racism here directed at whites. It's strange for me because, as a white woman, I'm not used to dealing with that myself. But I can't help but understand why they feel like they do, yet at the same time, I feel they should get over it and get on with life.

I have to say there are more Indians who are wonderful people than those who aren't. Some tribes are better than others and take care of their people and use their money wisely while others have ghetto-like reservations for their people.

Yes, we have a pretty life today, but it wasn't pretty for the first 380 years after our ancestors first came here.
The public school system is very good about skewing the facts and promoting a racist attitude. History shows that the Indians, indeed, were willing to work with the white people. Some were dishonest in the whole deal, but many were just trying to understand them.

No, this country would never have been great if the Indians ruled with their superstitions and dangerous way of life. They treated the women horrible to name a few.

I will also say that the blacks had a hard time in the beginning, but from all of that they are now the most sought after in the Gospel music industry. I doubt that would have happened in Africa.

We also, through shed blood, came out of England with freedom of expression,

I don't know how the Illegal issue will play out.

But, if they keep refusing to speak English and playing dumb so people will just hand them things, it isn't going to cause any respect on their part.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:16 AM
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Illegals get free education - on the citizens dime
Illegals get free health care - on the citizens dime

There's more, but I'm pressed for time. Bottom line, most Illegals ~are~ moochers. It's not a lie. Phoenix metro hospital ERs are ~PACKED~ with them. They're a burden to the welfare, justice and healthcare system.




1) My ancestors went through the proper immigration channels, then they assimilated into the American culture. Illegals don't do that. For one, their illegal - they haven't gone through the proper paperwork. And most don't want anything to do with American culture. They just want tax-free money to send back to Mexico.

IF Congress passes this stupid amnesty again (Reagan made a terrible mistake doing this in the 80s) - you WON'T see millions fixing their papers and becoming legal. What you WILL see is millions more trying to come illegally into the country in hopes that stupid politicians will give them amnesty.

You're being dishonest when you say the only way for them to come into America is illegally. I worked in Immigration for several years and there is a process for ~everyone~. They come in illegally because they think they're better than the others who are waiting. They're impatient. They're selfish. They're mostly troublemakers who fill our jails and prisons.




Legal channels don't have to be loosened! Laws need not be changed! We already have immigration laws; we already have a process. Why do ~we~ have to change things? It's blasted ridiculous that we're the one's that have to change everything.

I mean, we have government buildings and forms that are bi-lingual now. Our restaurants and other stores have to be bi-lingual. Instead of America having to adapt to illegals and other immigrants, why don't the immigrants and illegals adapt to America? Learn English if you're coming here for crying out loud!




I was waiting for the race card to be played. It happens every single time.

I've lived in two different cities in the past 3 years. Both have experienced crime rates going higher because of illegals. Both have had plummeting property values from the influx of illegals.

There was a young man from my church in another state who was stabbed and killed by an illegal. The illegal ran into the yard and stole a shovel and when this 14 year old kid ran after him, he turned around and stabbed him.

In the same state there was a kid who didn't come to church, but I'd met him. He was attacked by a gang of illegals over a bad drug deal. They cut off his hand, stabbed him multiple times and left him for dead. Miraculously he survived.

Here in my state now, crime rates soar from them. Filthy Coyotes who transport them from the border and put them in drop houses all around the Phoenix metro area. Recently an illegal stole a car, took police on a chase and ended up broadsiding another car, killing the woman driver.

President Bush and Congress need to stop groveling at the feet of el Presidente Fox or the other Mexican leaders; they need to stop the invasion by placing armed military guards at the border; they need to restrict, not loosen immigration numbers per year.

And if Illegals are so interested in having a better life . . . do what we did back in the day - start a revolution in their own country and change their own country instead of destroying the US.

Good post.

The FBI estimates that today there are approximately thirty thousand violent gangs in the US, with 800,000 members impacting 2,500 communities. The growth in Hispanic gangs dominates the gang underground in America today.

MS-13, one of the most notorious Hispanic gangs, operates in some 34 different states and the District of Columbia. Even more frightening, the Hispanic gangs in the US have connected with counterparts in Mexico, Central America, and South America.

The MS-13 was formed by refugees from the revolution in El Salvador, who settled in Los Angeles in the early 80's.

The MS-13 makes money dealing drugs, dealing in stolen merchandise, running guns and human cargo. The drugs come across the border from Mexico and are supplied by the Mexican drug cartels. They do a handy business in stolen vehicles.

Along the border, MS-13 controls much of the "coyote" activities that regulates who and what gets to cross the border into the US. Illegal aliens with money are shaken down by the MS-13. Those without money become "mules" for carrying kilo-size packages of drugs in their backpacks as their price of passage in the US.

They set up the methamphetamine labs in Mexico. The drug cartels can easily buy off drug enforcement officers and local police. If a lab blows up in Los Angeles the police with pursue the case, BUT if in Mexico? Who cares? The authorities aren't going to care, especially not when anyone important is most likely already on the payroll of the drug cartels.

In April of 2006, the Mexican legislature passed a law to legalize the personal use of drugs, including decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine, and heroin. The new law immediately raised an important question about Mexico's commitment to working with the US in any meaningful war on drugs. The law suggests that Mexico does not care at all. It also suggests that it's big business with Mexico.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:35 AM
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The public school system is very good about skewing the facts and promoting a racist attitude. History shows that the Indians, indeed, were willing to work with the white people. Some were dishonest in the whole deal, but many were just trying to understand them.

No, this country would never have been great if the Indians ruled with their superstitions and dangerous way of life. They treated the women horrible to name a few.

I will also say that the blacks had a hard time in the beginning, but from all of that they are now the most sought after in the Gospel music industry. I doubt that would have happened in Africa.

We also, through shed blood, came out of England with freedom of expression,

I don't know how the Illegal issue will play out.

But, if they keep refusing to speak English and playing dumb so people will just hand them things, it isn't going to cause any respect on their part.
I completely agree. I notice that with all groups, but it seems more prevalent in some races than others.

A friend of mine lives near Chicago. Her neighborhood is now mostly Hispanic. Not that she minds what race they are, but their culture is everywhere. She said they play loud music all hours of the night, they don't watch their children, and most of them can't speak any English at all.

The schools have special classes for their children because they need a Spanish speaking teacher. It's difficult to shop for anything because most everything is in Spanish first, and English is in fine print.

I'm all for them coming here legally and wanting a better life, and I know that learning English isn't easy and quick, but it seems like we are so politically correct that we don't want to offend them or make them feel like they are losing their identity, so we cater to them in ways that infringe on the rest of us.

There's a lot more I'd like to say, but I don't want it to be misunderstood by others.
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Old 04-28-2007, 01:49 AM
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I completely agree. I notice that with all groups, but it seems more prevalent in some races than others.

A friend of mine lives near Chicago. Her neighborhood is now mostly Hispanic. Not that she minds what race they are, but their culture is everywhere. She said they play loud music all hours of the night, they don't watch their children, and most of them can't speak any English at all.

The schools have special classes for their children because they need a Spanish speaking teacher. It's difficult to shop for anything because most everything is in Spanish first, and English is in fine print.

I'm all for them coming here legally and wanting a better life, and I know that learning English isn't easy and quick, but it seems like we are so politically correct that we don't want to offend them or make them feel like they are losing their identity, so we cater to them in ways that infringe on the rest of us.

There's a lot more I'd like to say, but I don't want it to be misunderstood by others.
Agreed! Good post! Everything you said in your post can surely be exponded on, but you are right, you would be misunderstood. It is a touchy subject for sure.

You won't believe what I did one day at the grocery store! They had the butter turned to the side that is printed in Spanish. I stood there for 30 minutes and changed them to the side that is English!

Hahahahahhahahahaha!

Just doing my civic duty!

Hahahahahhahahaha! Lord, I was mad as a hornet!!!

I wanted to scream - I AM AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm off to bed! Good night, HO!
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Old 04-28-2007, 02:05 AM
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Agreed! Good post! Everything you said in your post can surely be exponded on, but you are right, you would be misunderstood. It is a touchy subject for sure.

You won't believe what I did one day at the grocery store! They had the butter turned to the side that is printed in Spanish. I stood there for 30 minutes and changed them to the side that is English!

Hahahahahhahahahaha!

Just doing my civic duty!

Hahahahahhahahaha! Lord, I was mad as a hornet!!!

I wanted to scream - I AM AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I'm off to bed! Good night, HO!
LOL! That's funny.

Goodnight, PO.
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Old 04-28-2007, 12:02 PM
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I see it different. We didn't come here to tear up and make a country look poverty stricken with refrigerators in the back yard.
To be fair and balanced . . . rednecks do the same thing! Have you ever driven through Mississippi? It's terrible through that area!

I know what you're saying though. Property values plummet in areas where illegals live because no one wants to live there, so they move out and pretty soon it's a ghetto filled with empty, run down houses.

Just in February, a decorated soldier (Jason Okon) who just returned home from a tour of duty in Iraq was stabbed in his front yard by an illegal alien. The illegal came up to him in his yard, spoke something in spanish, stabbed him in the stomach and ran away. He spent well over a week in intensive care on a ventilator.

Oh yah, and the illegal scum that stabbed him . . . this is his second or third time in the country illegally.

CP - here's some stats for you, from the LA Times of all places:

* 40% of workers in Los Angeles County work for cash and pay no taxes, because they are predominantly illegal aliens without green cards.

* 95% of murder warrants issued in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

* 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

* Over 67% of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal aliens.
(Mexican births paid for by U.S. taxpayers.)

* Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

* Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

* 50% of gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border, according to FBI reports.

* 60% of all occupants in HUD properties are illegal aliens.

* 21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish-language.

* In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English, while
3.9 million speak Spanish.

* Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

* In 1997, the net cost of immigration to American taxpayers was $70 billion. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services received) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative number.

* 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

. . . that's just in CALIFORNIA!!!

Last year they angered American citizens (including real immigrants) by marching down the streets of Phoenix and other cities, waving Mexican flags and chanting "Si Se Puede," (Yes we can). I know from a news outlet in Phoenix that did a background check on who was sponsoring the march here, that La Raza and other illegal, anti-american groups were mixed in and supporting this.

How can anyone, including the President, call these people law-abiding citizens. ~THEY CAME IN BY BREAKING THE LAW!~ They continue to live here, thus breaking our laws.

And then they have the audacity to march in our streets ~DEMANDING~ that we adapt and change for them!

Are you kidding me!?

Of course, they realized they hacked off the American people with the first march and the next time instead tried to soothe us by waving American flags.

Yah, didn't work. They can wave American flags and cry about justice all they want, but until they decide to become Americans, learn the language and culture, abide by our laws and become responsible citizens - it doesn't matter.

I laugh every time I heard some dumb La Raza activist on the radio trying to compare illegal immigration to Rosa Parks and MKL Jr's civil rights struggle.

*NEWS FLASH - the civil rights struggle is nothing like illegal immigration. For starters, the civil rights leaders and people were here LEGALLY. They were citizens, albeit at the time considered second-class citizens. It angers me when I hear them try to compare themselves to RP and MKL Jr.

Again, get the wall built and put troops on the border. And stop arresting the Border Patrol agents who are doing their jobs. This is another thing that infuriates me!

3 BP agents now have been arrested and charged, 2 of them convicted and in prison because some stupid DA took the testimony of an illegal and bowed to the demands of Mexico. And another one is charged and will have a trial soon. In this case, the Mexican Consulate was allowed to interview the "witnesses" for, I believe, 3 hours before our law enforcement was able to interview them. And the DA still is pressing charges on the agent for doing his job.

President Bush is a hypocrital hack. He and the generals over in Iraq close borders and put up armed units along the Iraqi borders with Syria and Iran . . . yet Bush wants to open the border more with Mexico?

Tell you what, if the White House and Congress was located in Phoenix and not in DC . . . we'd have no immigration problems. The border would be sealed tight. But for these politicians, including John McCain who knows about the problems here but wants to remain politically correct, it's out of sight, out of mind.

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Well, I'm off to bed! Good night, HO!
Better hope Al Sharpton doesn't read that!
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I hate hearing "for English, press 1" everytime I call businesses with automate operators! Shouldn't it be assumed and those who speak Spanish, French, Russian, and Swahili press numbers???
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