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Old 02-08-2010, 10:17 PM
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And there was no demand that these be fully grown adult specimens. They could have been young animals. They simply needed there to be a certain number of males & females.
also, how many different canines?
Wolves, foxes, dingoes, chihuahuas, great danes, cocker spaniels, greyhounds or some common ancestor?

How many different kinds of cows:
holsteins, guernseys, jerseys, brown swiss, hereford, angus, etc or one kind which later developed into the various kinds of milk and beef cattle and even water buffaloes and yaks?
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as far as fitting all the animals on Noah's ark, I've read the following:

Species of Land Animals
larger than a sheep, 290
between sheep and rat, 757
smaller than a rat, 1,359

Other species
birds, 10,000
reptiles, 2,231
insects, 100,000

It was the author's premise that there was enough space for all the animals in the lower deck for there was 33,750 square feet of floor space to be partitioned off into stalls, cages and rooms.
The second floor could have held food, for it contained 500,000 cubic feet of space in which to store the hay, grain, fruit, nuts, vegetables, honey, cheese,
etc.
The third story also contained some 33,750 square feet of floor space, making room for over 200 rooms each 12 feet square...ample space for many souls to find refuge...
What about the diesel powered bilge pumps? Where did they fit? Eight human beings simply could not have successfully kept the thing afloat for a year manning any human powered pumps. A wooden vessel that long would have had gaps in the side of the hull's planking that a porpoise could swim through in even moderate seas.

And - the Young Earth fundamentalists want us to believe that the continents were separated at this time - Think going from Pangaea to a "modern" alignment of the continents in a single year's time. What would that do to wave formation on the surface?

Again, to prove that the whole thing was "real" - all someone has to do is to build an ark to the Biblical specifications and put her to sea.

Boy, that would shut people like me up in a hurry. Why hasn't anyone even tried? What do shipwrights and marine surveyors know that the average Fundamentalist doesn't?

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Old 02-08-2010, 10:22 PM
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This post COULD seem as if you believe in evolution.
LOL. "Could seem..."?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=26662

Still waiting for someone to come up to the plate on this.

"This is the type of deception and game playing that really turned me off to the "Young Earth Creationists" and the "Intelligent Design" crowd years ago.

I do struggle to try and discern if they behave like this due to some cognitive disability or due to some moral failing. I honestly don't have the answer for all of the examples of this type of behavior that I've seen.

But I do know this: It would be immoral for me to propagate the "information" that they do. That's why I had to back away from them.

It really became a moral issue for me." http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=468

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Old 02-08-2010, 10:23 PM
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And the Lord spoke to Noah and said: "In six months I'm going to make it rain until the whole earth is covered with water and all the evil people are destroyed. But I want to save a few good people, and two of every kind of living thing on the planet.

I am ordering you to build Me an Ark," said the Lord.

And in a flash of lightning He delivered the specifications for an Ark.

"OK," said Noah, trembling in fear and fumbling with the blueprints.

"Six months, and it starts to rain" thundered the Lord. "You'd better have my Ark completed, or learn how to swim for a very long time."

And six months passed.

The skies began to cloud up and rain began to fall. The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard, weeping. And there was no Ark.

"Noah," shouted the Lord, "where is my Ark?" A lightning bolt crashed into the ground next to Noah, for emphasis.

"Lord, please forgive me," begged Noah. "I did my best. But there were big problems. First I had to get a building permit for the Ark construction project, and your plans didn't meet Code. So I had to hire an engineer to redraw the plans. Then I got into a big fight over whether or not the Ark needed a fire sprinkler system. My neighbors objected claiming I was violating zoning by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission. "Then I had a big problem getting enough wood for the Ark because there was a ban on cutting trees to save the Spotted Owl. I had to convince U.S. Fish & Wildlife that I needed the wood to save the Owls. But they wouldn't let me catch any owls. So no owls. Then the carpenters formed a union and went out on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or a hammer. Now we got 16 carpenters going on the boat, and still no owls.

"Then I started gathering up the animals, and got sued by an animal rights group. They objected to me taking only two of each kind. Just when I got the suit dismissed, EPA notified me that I couldn't complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed Flood. They didn't take kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of a Supreme Being.The the Army Corps of Engineers wanted a map of the proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.

"Right now I'm still trying to resolve a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission over how many Croatians I'm supposed to hire, the IRS has seized all my assets claiming I'm trying to avoid paying taxes by leaving the country, and I just got a notice from the state about owing some kind of use tax. "I really don't think I can finish your Ark for at least another five years," Noah wailed.

The sky began to clear. The sun began to shine. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up and smiled. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth?" Noah asked, hopefully.

"Wrong!" thundered the Lord. "But being Lord of the Universe has its advantages. I fully intend to smite the Earth, but with something far worse than a Flood. Something Man invented himself."

"What's that?" asked Noah.

There was a long pause, and then the Lord spake his Last Word, "Government."
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:27 PM
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BTW Ive seen shows where they could not figure out how they got those statues on Easter island there of how they build the pyramids or cut and raised the oblisks
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There are megalithic stones which man still does not have the technology to move.
Like? Gimme an example.
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Old 02-08-2010, 10:29 PM
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Like? Gimme an example.
I can understand how it is hard to imagine the ancient people moving some of those rocks... but I'm with Pel, name one rock that they moved which we couldn't.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:10 PM
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I can understand how it is hard to imagine the ancient people moving some of those rocks... but I'm with Pel, name one rock that they moved which we couldn't.
A lot of claims are made due to a misunderstanding over semantics. For example...

"We still don't know how the Egyptians built the pyramids..."

That is true, to a point. But that statement doesn't mean, "Someone with enough motivation and resources today couldn't pile up millions of huge cut granite stones in a similar fashion that the Egyptians did."

There are in fact several different ways it could have been done. We just don't know which way the Egyptians used.

The reason nobody has done such a feat since probably comes down to a simple reason: motivation. The massive pyramids of the Old Kingdom age at Giza took the resources and man power of an entire nation. AND - the builders were not slaves! They participated willingly, from all the most recently uncovered evidence.

But, that did take a toll on the Egyptian civilization. There followed a period of apparent civil unrest and upheaval known as the First Intermediate Period. The Egyptian nation was split politically for a time and the pyramids themselves were looted.

Perhaps the people came to the conclusion that all of their labor was for the wrong reasons? Doubt led to the questioning of authority and the Old Kingdom fell.
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Old 02-08-2010, 11:34 PM
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The massive pyramids of the Old Kingdom age at Giza took the resources and man power of an entire nation. AND - the builders were not slaves!
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Y'all do know, don't you, that some Bible teachers like Larkin (author of Dispensational Truth) and also some Apostolic/Pentecostals believe that the Great Pyramid is "the Bible in Stone"? Sis. Alta Johnson was pastor of The Church of Jesus Christ in Niles, MI and was a Bible Teacher. She had a chart on the Great Pyramid. If I remember correctly, she thought that the builder was Melchizedek and she believed that he was a theophany.
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LOL. "Could seem..."?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=26662

Still waiting for someone to come up to the plate on this.

"This is the type of deception and game playing that really turned me off to the "Young Earth Creationists" and the "Intelligent Design" crowd years ago.

I do struggle to try and discern if they behave like this due to some cognitive disability or due to some moral failing. I honestly don't have the answer for all of the examples of this type of behavior that I've seen.

But I do know this: It would be immoral for me to propagate the "information" that they do. That's why I had to back away from them.

It really became a moral issue for me." http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=468
Ok then does this mean you also reject the idea that one single being we call "God" spoke and created the Universe? I never thought I would hear Apostolics belittling that which is written in scripture.

I guess to some the Bible is just a series of fairy tales.
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Y'all do know, don't you, that some Bible teachers like Larkin (author of Dispensational Truth) and also some Apostolic/Pentecostals believe that the Great Pyramid is "the Bible in Stone"? Sis. Alta Johnson was pastor of The Church of Jesus Christ in Niles, MI and was a Bible Teacher. She had a chart on the Great Pyramid. If I remember correctly, she thought that the builder was Melchizedek and she believed that he was a theophany.
Marvin Treece taught that at a camp meeting I attended many years ago.
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