Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #51  
Old 01-12-2010, 12:19 PM
Aquila Aquila is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 31,124
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by notofworks View Post
We've regularly had gay people attend, even couples. I've been asked to do gay weddings.
I think that's great. If gay people aren't welcome in our churches... where will they go? I'd rather see gay people in church with me learning about Jesus in the midst of their struggles or even their misunderstandings than in the shady sesspool of a world their subculture often dwells in. Let the sinners (remember we are sinners too) draw near. Come as you are... now is the time to worship!

Only question I have is... Have you performed any gay weddings? lol (I won't judge, I promise.)
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 01-12-2010, 12:20 PM
notofworks's Avatar
notofworks notofworks is offline
Ravaged by Grace


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,948
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
So we agree that non Christians are in every church and that having non Christians present is a good thing, for it exposes them to the Word of God and the presence found in worship.

Here's a question...

Can a believer by a sincere born again Christian and not attend a "church"?
First, absolutely.

Second, yes....it is a GREAT thing to have non-Christians on the audience. I pray for the day when the majority of our audience are non-Christians. We're pretty close now.
__________________
You know you miss me
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 01-12-2010, 12:21 PM
notofworks's Avatar
notofworks notofworks is offline
Ravaged by Grace


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,948
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
I think that's great. If gay people aren't welcome in our churches... where will they go? I'd rather see gay people in church with me learning about Jesus in the midst of their struggles or even their misunderstandings than in the shady sesspool of a world their subculture often dwells in. Let the sinners (remember we are sinners too) draw near. Come as you are... now is the time to worship!
Standing ovation, both in your conclusions and your reasoning.
__________________
You know you miss me
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 01-12-2010, 12:22 PM
notofworks's Avatar
notofworks notofworks is offline
Ravaged by Grace


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,948
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by BISHOP177 View Post
Well.... guess only well folk should EVER go inside a hospital!! "Could be a social club in there, btw, the parking lot is sooo full... Even the Dr's. are just practicing"

Somewhere I think I read. " IT'S THE SICK THAN NEED THE DOCTOR"

You always have good things to say, Bishop. You need to talk more!
__________________
You know you miss me
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 01-12-2010, 12:25 PM
Aquila Aquila is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 31,124
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by notofworks View Post
First, absolutely.

Second, yes....it is a GREAT thing to have non-Christians on the audience. I pray for the day when the majority of our audience are non-Christians. We're pretty close now.
Some of the holiest men and women of God that I know only grace the doorways of a "church" on occasion. They've learned to live and walk very close to the Lord. They've even learned to hear him for themselves. One woman I know is absolutely astounding in her relationship with Jesus. You'd swear you were in the room with a prophetess... and she attends "church" once a quarter at best.

Sadly, some attend church whenever the doors are open. Yet they've never really cultivated a relationship with Jesus for themselves. Oh, they have deep relationships and responsiblities in the "church" but they'd be lost without their structure. And they can't hear God for themselves, they heavily lean on their pastor to hear from God for them. I wish they knew what they were missing.

Last edited by Aquila; 01-12-2010 at 12:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 01-12-2010, 01:58 PM
notofworks's Avatar
notofworks notofworks is offline
Ravaged by Grace


 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7,948
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
Some of the holiest men and women of God that I know only grace the doorways of a "church" on occasion. They've learned to live and walk very close to the Lord. They've even learned to hear him for themselves. One woman I know is absolutely astounding in her relationship with Jesus. You'd swear you were in the room with a prophetess... and she attends "church" once a quarter at best.

Sadly, some attend church whenever the doors are open. Yet they've never really cultivated a relationship with Jesus for themselves. Oh, they have deep relationships and responsiblities in the "church" but they'd be lost without their structure. And they can't hear God for themselves, they heavily lean on their pastor to hear from God for them. I wish they knew what they were missing.

I whole-heartedly agree. I do believe that the local church CAN be a great thing that is greatly beneficial to people. I believe it is primarily beneficial in teaming up to reach those outside the line of faith and when it doesn't do that, it's worthless. Like I've heard Bill Hybels say numerous times, "There's nothing like the local church when the local church is working right."

But when it isn't working right? Ugh.
__________________
You know you miss me
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 01-12-2010, 02:10 PM
RandyWayne RandyWayne is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: AZ
Posts: 16,746
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie View Post
I would not have a clue what "percentage" of people in any church are true Christians - neither would anyone else.
It would be inconceivable for anyone to even attempt it.
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 01-12-2010, 02:19 PM
John Atkinson John Atkinson is offline
*sigh*


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Norwich, CT
Posts: 1,998
Re: Rick Warren Statement

So? what exactly is a true christian anyway? If you aren't a true christian are you a false christian?


Enquiring minds... all that.


IMHO I don't think size matters, as long as the leadership is structured to ensure everyone gets personal attention and discipleship.
__________________

My Countdown Counting down to: End of the World
It's all over, fat lady done sang...

Last edited by John Atkinson; 01-12-2010 at 02:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 01-12-2010, 02:23 PM
John Atkinson John Atkinson is offline
*sigh*


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Norwich, CT
Posts: 1,998
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWayne View Post
It would be inconceivable for anyone to even attempt it.
I have a true christian detector app on my iphone, true christians show up as red blips on the screen....
__________________

My Countdown Counting down to: End of the World
It's all over, fat lady done sang...
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 01-12-2010, 02:34 PM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Re: Rick Warren Statement

Quote:
Originally Posted by notofworks View Post
First, absolutely.

Second, yes....it is a GREAT thing to have non-Christians on the audience. I pray for the day when the majority of our audience are non-Christians. We're pretty close now.
Awe, yes I agree. WITH one caveat though. If they do not stay unbelievers. If the majority stays unbelievers there is something very wrong somewhere.

If the single greatest goal is to bring them to Christ and see them born again - then I agree, having them attend is a GREAT thing.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ferd apologizes for having liked Rick Warren Ferd Fellowship Hall 14 04-09-2009 03:23 PM
*SHOCK* Rick Warren 2 give Invocation@Inaugeration StMark Political Talk 105 12-31-2008 02:37 PM
Rick Warren Breaches Sarah Palin's Confidence Nahum Political Talk 48 09-14-2008 02:26 AM
Obama tying himself in knots with Rick Warren Carpenter Political Talk 214 08-25-2008 11:02 AM
HELP!!! Hillary keynote Speaker at RICK WARREN"S church! Thad The Tab 20 12-01-2007 10:58 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.