Why Preterism is a false doctrine

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Now Shaq

In relation to relative theology, do you see what I am meaning?

Relative theology is a fairly new method of studying prophecy. Yet it has proven very successful in interpreting the prophetic scriptures.

I have looked at what some of you preterits have written and in light of relative theology it is applicable for both ways.

"Relative theology" Hmm. That's pretty good. One can almost always be correct with that. Why, one can even predict 2 million (or was it billion, I forget) will die no later than...oh, wait, 2 years ago...ooops.
Say, did you know, Irving Baxter jr. is by definition a Partial Preterist?
And I quote Bro. Baxter jr. ...
..."I believe it can be proven that the first three seals of Revelation 6 have now been opened (see Lesson 4 of Understanding the Endtime). The farther we move into the endtime, the more of the prophecies will be fulfilled and become history rather than futuristic. "

To compare him with Bill Branham is quite "Revelatory" to say the least.

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Argh!

Please don't attack the prophet Baxter, he's is the prophet unto this generation. Kinds of like William Branhim! Careful of what yous say as the curse of God could come upon those who mock the true prophecies! We know he is the prophet because he has never missed a prophecy!

As far as peoples moving away from the truths of futurism, have you not read that many are called and few are chosen?

In the last days, the prophet teaches, many will walk away! Truly the prophecies are happening like he said!

What more must you see to believe?

That's just it, I have not attacked the man. Let's nip this in the bud right now, so we can get on past Baxter.

Baxter's eschatology rises and falls on the four beasts of Daniel. Therefore, if Baxter does not have proof that the lepeard with fowl wings is Germany, then via no proof, his whole eschatology falls apart.

What, dear Brother, is his proof of this being true?

Let's start there.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Bowas

"Relative theology" Hmm. That's pretty good. One can almost always be correct with that. Why, one can even predict 2 million (or was it billion, I forget) will die no later than...oh, wait, 2 years ago...ooops.
Say, did you know, Irving Baxter jr. is by definition a Partial Preterist?
And I quote Bro. Baxter jr. ...
..."I believe it can be proven that the first three seals of Revelation 6 have now been opened (see Lesson 4 of Understanding the Endtime). The farther we move into the endtime, the more of the prophecies will be fulfilled and become history rather than futuristic. "

To compare him with Bill Branham is quite "Revelatory" to say the least.

The good prophet Bra.... Baxter was just misquoted! You folks have totally taken him out of line in what he said!

And furthermore, quit trying to twist his prophetic words and make him into a heretic! He is like Branham, the prophet for his generation!

Dynamic, prophetic, relative,.....

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by afp1996

That's just it, I have not attacked the man. Let's nip this in the bud right now, so we can get on past Baxter.

Baxter's eschatology rises and falls on the four beasts of Daniel. Therefore, if Baxter does not have proof that the lepeard with fowl wings is Germany, then via no proof, his whole eschatology falls apart.

What, dear Brother, is his proof of this being true?

Let's start there.

No, you did attack the prophet!

He has shown, quite ably using relative theology, how the leapord is Germany. Did you not read his book? Germany is represented by the leapord in that they have leapord tanks! Even Jesus used parabolic / relative language to make his points. What more proof do you need!

See how RELATIVE THEOLOGY works?

The USA is the eagle, Russia is the bear!

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

The good prophet Bra.... Baxter was just misquoted! You folks have totally taken him out of line in what he said!

And furthermore, quit trying to twist his prophetic words and make him into a heretic! He is like Branham, the prophet for his generation!

Dynamic, prophetic, relative,.....

I went back and checked my source and lo and behold, it does look as if this quote was a misquote and taken totally out of context. My bad.
Next time Bro. Baxter should check his own sources on himself before he writes what he writes so as not to misrepreent himself or to take his self out of context.
The article I pasted was written by Pastor Iring Baxter jr. and can be found in it's entirety at: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Crit...-irvin_ca.html

So while he claims not to be a Partial Preterist, he is a Partial Preterist, he is just in de Nile.
I know, I know, his followers claim, but at leat he is bringing people to Acts 2:38 you know. Good. Now if he would just follow the same interpretive method he has used in understanding Acts 2:38 as he does to "endtime" stuff, he will be on to something...Biblical.

[Monterrey]

Im telling you , relative theology is THE way to go!

All doctrine is now negotioble depending on who it is relative too.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Im telling you , relative theology is THE way to go!

All doctrine is now negotioble depending on who it is relative too.

I was going to say I think you could start something big with this concept, but I think someone already beat you to it.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Bowas

I was going to say I think you could start something big with this concept, but I think someone already beat you to it.

Just think of all the ramifications of this doctrine! Just think of where you could go with it!

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

No, you did attack the prophet!

He has shown, quite ably using relative theology, how the leapord is Germany. Did you not read his book? Germany is represented by the leapord in that they have leapord tanks! Even Jesus used parabolic / relative language to make his points. What more proof do you need!

See how RELATIVE THEOLOGY works?

The USA is the eagle, Russia is the bear!

Brother, I knew that you would have to go there. That is why I asked you this question. A newspaper article and the name of a tank is not going to cut it by biblical standards. Daniel clearly lays out who those beasts were. They are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. ANY other interpretation is just plain non-founded and without any biblical proof.

Greece was under Alexander the Great, and was then separated to his four Generals. It is clear.

Please show me where I attacked Irvin Baxter. Was it here? :

Second, I've been there, and I've done that. Even got a tee shirt so to speak.

This is not an attack. I used to believe as his does before I even knew who he was, but then I came to understand the scriptures more perfectly. This was not an attack on Irvin Baxter, but you seem to be doing anything to martyr the messager to secure the constititution of the message. Only it falls short. Notice I said "it" and not "he". I am talking about the message.

Bottom line: Tanks do not make countries into beasts.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by shag

I believe, and am assuming you were just kidding around in your post Monterrey.




No doubt, the more I study the Kingdom, the parables of the Kingdom, the plain langueage Jesus used when speaking to the people, the more Im convinced. As has been pointed out, A Judgement which was called a coming of the lord fell on "Jerusulem" for the ultimate sin of, after all the murdering the prophets, then crucifying the Messiah.

Matt. 23 34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


and comparing this to the parable of the vineyard...

Mt. 21:34And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


All this language directly after Jesus reproves and rebukes the pharisees like theres no tomorrow! Then, He proceeds to weep over "the city"..


Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

And in comparison to Lukes version of the weeping Lk. 19:41 41 Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, 42 saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43 For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another,[I

When all of this is compared, it was a major judgement, from previous generations(blood of Abel to Zecharias) that fell upon that generation. And the parable of the vinyard says it was a coming of the Lord.


And even on His way to the cross, look at Jesus' reply (Lk. 23)"and women who also mourned and lamented Him. But Jesus, turning to them, said, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!’ 30 Then they will begin ‘to say to the mountains, “Fall on us!” and to the hills, “Cover us!”


Even on the way to calvary, He was still WARNING their generation, in which all the murdering blood would fall, just as He had warned. Think about it....He said that while already having been beat have to death!

And John the baptist beforehand had prepared the way of the Lord saying "You GENERATION of VIPERS! Who hath warned you to flee from THE WRATH TO COME?"

Shag Your starting to sound like me using all those scriptures. lol Go get em.