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Old 11-25-2009, 01:03 PM
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The reason I'm for electric cars is so we have less dependence on Arab-Muslim controlled oil. They have the power (if they were to all ban together) to bring our economy to it's knees.
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Gotta run, sold my stocks on the bull market today and gotta go help the economy!

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Old 11-25-2009, 01:24 PM
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Take "pigtail" lightbulbs. They cost more at the outset but save you money. A conservative approach would demand deference of immediate gain and longterm benefit. This is the same way that I view renewable energy. There is no immediate, easy answer. But conservatives should be on the front lines of environmental conservativism.
Also known as the CFL bulb. Fortunately, the EPA has guidelines on how to take care of your bulb!
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What you need to know before you bring home the bulbs:

* Go to a website such as Earth911.org before bringing the bulbs home to find the closest recycling center for the bulbs. In our area, more than 10 local places came up, although the EPA reports CFL recycling or collection points lag 5 years behind demand for the bulbs. Keep bulbs out of the reach of your children, just as you would any other toxic substance like paint or home cleaners.
* Dispose of bulbs in the proper manner - by sealing them in a plastic bag and taking them to a recycler that handles hazardless household wastes. If recycling is not possible, seal bulb in a plastic bag and place in regular trash.
* If you break a bulb: DO NOT VACUUM! Doing so disperses particles even more and then traps the mercury in your vac bag - possibly to be dispersed each time you use your vacuum after that! Keep children and pets away from the ventilated area for at least 15 minutes so vapors can evaporate. Clean up by hand using disposable materials including disposable rubber gloves and a stiff piece of cardboard to collect the pieces by sweeping them onto the board with damp paper towels. Put pieces and cardboard into a sealed plastic bag. Perhaps the greatest danger you are exposed to is broken glass!
Don't want that Mercury to get you! A cause for kidney and brain damage. The last sentence that the greatest danger is being exposed to broken glass - okay, then why air out the room? Why keep children and pets away?

Let's also not overlook that there have been factory closings in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Kentucky in order to hand over the CFL manufacturing to the Chinese - who - use cheap coal that is fired with electric power and unburdened by pollution control equipment exploiting Chinese laborers who are paid pennies per hour to be exposed to toxic amounts of mercy that is used to manufacture CFL light bulbs - the pigtail.

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Philips corporation has announced their intention to cease distribution of incandescent bulbs to the US and European nations by 2016.

The Master LED will last 45,000 hours in operating life which equates to 45 times longer that incandescent lights, 25 times longer than halogen bulbs and even 10 times longer than current compact fluorescents (CFLs).

http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets...-year-2009039/
It's also safer. The drawback is that the lighting will be dimmer and perhaps they can work on that - advanced technology - that's where the money is.

I am also for "directional drilling" especially in the ANWR. Environmentalists have said that it won’t leave a physical footprint on the reserve.

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Old 11-25-2009, 01:51 PM
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The oil companies that make those obscene profits are the same ones who foot the bill for reasearch, drilling, transporting and refining thast same oil. They pay all the overhead, so they deserve every penny of profit. They have also become masters of efficiency in order to maximize the profit. This is something ONLY the private sector can do.

Give the reigns to the Fed and oil prices/gas prices will NOT go down at all. They will not set a ceiling without also coming up with some osort of additional taxing of the users. Why? Because the Fed is not efficient in anything! If they are the ones who now have to pay for all the research, development, transportation and refining of the oil...the prices will go through the roof! Imagine all the red tape and bureacracy that will be created if the Fed suddenly is in charge of all those things. All the lobbyist hands that will get into the soup. All the special interests that will want a piece of the pie. All because the Fed takes over.

Oil should, like EVERY other industry, be left to the private sector. Do not allow monopolizing, but otherwise the Fed should keep out of these things. Let free market regulate and punish/profit the industries for their work.
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Old 11-25-2009, 01:59 PM
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The oil companies that make those obscene profits are the same ones who foot the bill for reasearch, drilling, transporting and refining thast same oil. They pay all the overhead, so they deserve every penny of profit. They have also become masters of efficiency in order to maximize the profit. This is something ONLY the private sector can do.

Give the reigns to the Fed and oil prices/gas prices will NOT go down at all. They will not set a ceiling without also coming up with some osort of additional taxing of the users. Why? Because the Fed is not efficient in anything! If they are the ones who now have to pay for all the research, development, transportation and refining of the oil...the prices will go through the roof! Imagine all the red tape and bureacracy that will be created if the Fed suddenly is in charge of all those things. All the lobbyist hands that will get into the soup. All the special interests that will want a piece of the pie. All because the Fed takes over.

Oil should, like EVERY other industry, be left to the private sector. Do not allow monopolizing, but otherwise the Fed should keep out of these things. Let free market regulate and punish/profit the industries for their work.
Good post - I agree!

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Old 11-25-2009, 02:33 PM
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Also known as the CFL bulb. Fortunately, the EPA has guidelines on how to take care of your bulb!


Don't want that Mercury to get you! A cause for kidney and brain damage. The last sentence that the greatest danger is being exposed to broken glass - okay, then why air out the room? Why keep children and pets away?

Let's also not overlook that there have been factory closings in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Kentucky in order to hand over the CFL manufacturing to the Chinese - who - use cheap coal that is fired with electric power and unburdened by pollution control equipment exploiting Chinese laborers who are paid pennies per hour to be exposed to toxic amounts of mercy that is used to manufacture CFL light bulbs - the pigtail.



It's also safer. The drawback is that the lighting will be dimmer and perhaps they can work on that - advanced technology - that's where the money is.

I am also for "directional drilling" especially in the ANWR. Environmentalists have said that it won’t leave a physical footprint on the reserve.
All progress has drawbacks that improve over time. Maybe we should just use lanterns?
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Old 11-25-2009, 02:48 PM
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All progress has drawbacks that improve over time. Maybe we should just use lanterns?
Not a good enough excuse when we already know about Mercury.

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To quote Will Ferrell from Zoolander... I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

So we are protecting the environment by loading it up with the most toxic non-radioactive substance on earth while telling pregnant women not to eat fish because of all the mercury in them.

And what is this, "we will all have to use CFL's by 2016"? Over my dead body will one of those things come into my home (where stuff gets broken every day because I have an autistic son who is full of mercury.)
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.c...landfills.html
Yes, I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

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Old 11-25-2009, 04:19 PM
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The oil companies that make those obscene profits are the same ones who foot the bill for reasearch, drilling, transporting and refining thast same oil. They pay all the overhead, so they deserve every penny of profit. They have also become masters of efficiency in order to maximize the profit. This is something ONLY the private sector can do.

Give the reigns to the Fed and oil prices/gas prices will NOT go down at all. They will not set a ceiling without also coming up with some osort of additional taxing of the users. Why? Because the Fed is not efficient in anything! If they are the ones who now have to pay for all the research, development, transportation and refining of the oil...the prices will go through the roof! Imagine all the red tape and bureacracy that will be created if the Fed suddenly is in charge of all those things. All the lobbyist hands that will get into the soup. All the special interests that will want a piece of the pie. All because the Fed takes over.

Oil should, like EVERY other industry, be left to the private sector. Do not allow monopolizing, but otherwise the Fed should keep out of these things. Let free market regulate and punish/profit the industries for their work.
I agree, this is what i said also.
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:36 PM
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Re: Economy Getting Stronger

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The oil companies that make those obscene profits are the same ones who foot the bill for reasearch, drilling, transporting and refining thast same oil. They pay all the overhead, so they deserve every penny of profit. They have also become masters of efficiency in order to maximize the profit. This is something ONLY the private sector can do.

Give the reigns to the Fed and oil prices/gas prices will NOT go down at all. They will not set a ceiling without also coming up with some osort of additional taxing of the users. Why? Because the Fed is not efficient in anything! If they are the ones who now have to pay for all the research, development, transportation and refining of the oil...the prices will go through the roof! Imagine all the red tape and bureacracy that will be created if the Fed suddenly is in charge of all those things. All the lobbyist hands that will get into the soup. All the special interests that will want a piece of the pie. All because the Fed takes over.

Oil should, like EVERY other industry, be left to the private sector. Do not allow monopolizing, but otherwise the Fed should keep out of these things. Let free market regulate and punish/profit the industries for their work.
I was just responding and thinking through this. I will, however, offer city-provided running water as an example of government entities procuring and providing a natural resource that is vital to our way of life. I don't think it is an unprecedented concept. I don't mind going to my city hall and paying my water bill, and I do wonder if my bill would be higher or lower if it were provided by a private industry who was interested not only in covering their costs but also providing for record amounts of pure profit from a commodity that they know full well we are dependent on.
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:38 PM
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Re: Economy Getting Stronger

Larry Burkett wrote a book back in the late 80s early 90s called "The Coming Economic Earthquake". He predicted much of what we're seeing now. This was before the properity of the 90s and I remember thinking "Man he sure missed it". Little did I know that he was talking about things that would take much longer to develop. Economically things look very scary for the foreseeable future. Spiritually, I know in whom I have believed...
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