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Old 04-23-2007, 10:26 AM
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How true, Theresa. The internet has made geniouses out of us all, hasn't it? GOOGLE is our friend!!

While I've made some very stupid comments on topics I knew very little about and posted information I acted like I knew, but which actually had just come from a "Googled" site, this IS one area I know a little bit about.

I was a CRNA for almost 10 years, did my research proposal on the effects of one particular narcotic on the fetus during epidural analgesia, placed quite a few labor epidurals and "sat on" (waited on) hundreds (if not a thousand) more and was involved in many, many deliveries where epidural (and spinal) analgesia were administered. Epidural (and spinal) pain control in labor is the largest form of analgesia used today. It is VERY safe and has negligible, and most times ZERO, effect on the fetus.

The reason? These drugs are placed in the spinal column (epidural) or the spinal canal (spinal) and only very minute amounts of these drugs reach the blood stream over the time they are in the body. Sure, some of these drugs can enter into the fetal circulation, but we're talking fractional amounts. The research I did showed no statistical significance in regards to fetal/newborn compromise (lethargy, drowsiness, respiratory depression) after these two forms of analgesia for labor.

Also, the thought that if an epidural is placed too late then the baby is at greater risk is wrong. It actually takes a longer time for the drugs to enter the mother's blood stream with an epidural, so the longer a woman has an epidural the greater the amount of narcotic that enters her blood stream, which is the ONLY WAY (through the blood via the placenta) the drug can get to the baby. So, an epidural placed late in labor is actually "safer" (if that's even an appropriate term) for the baby.

Regarding placement times, the epidural is typically placed when a "first timer" is >4 cm dilated, IF she's progressing. If not, the decision may be made to wait a bit longer. I've seen them placed at 7cm if the lady was moving REALLY slow, since epidurals can, occassionally, slow labor. If the woman has had multiple deliveries, the epidural may be placed upon arrival or when she reached 3-4 cm dilation (which some multiparas achieve even before they get to the hospital!!)

Anyway, that's my take. No, I am not an MD and haven't done anesthesia for 6 years now (OB anesthesia for about 8 years), but I do remember that much about it. Also, you will see practices and opinions on this topic vary from practitioner to practitioner.

Obstetrics was the most enjoyable AND horrific part of my job as a CRNA! The joy of seeing a new life entering the world and the reactions of mom and dad are priceless!! To be a part of that was incredible!!

*edit* I just realized that I only covered the narcotic portion of the epidural/spinal. They are used in conjunction with local anesthetics that numb (deaden) the nerves, too. These types drugs have even less of a chance of getting into the baby's system. Only by direct injection into a vein of the mother (which does happen VERY, VERY rarely) can either of these drugs have a serious effect on the fetus.


Bro. Eastman! I pray your child is healthy and blessed and used mightily in the Kingdom of God!!
what do you know? You are just a NURSE??

and we all know how much more knowledgeable DOCTORS are over mere nurses.
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:27 AM
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This is Micheal and Heather's FIRST child. lol

My wife and I made three trips before our first one was born. We lived in Houston and the baby was born in Galveston 45 miles away. I was so afraid that my wife was gonna go in labor at rush hour and we would get caught on I-45. I had NIGHTMARES!!!!

Keep cool Bro. I am praying for ya and Sis. Eastman.

To all AFF members I wish all could know these guys personally like I do. They just don't come no better.

BTW if any pastors on here want a great preacher and minister,this is the man.

God bless all and the Eastman's.
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:39 AM
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what do you know? You are just a NURSE??
I know, I know.


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and we all know how much more knowledgeable DOCTORS are over mere nurses.
And if you don't believe what others say, just ask a doctor! If you need a second opinion, ask 'em again!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:41 AM
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This is Micheal and Heather's FIRST child. lol

My wife and I made three trips before our first one was born. We lived in Houston and the baby was born in Galveston 45 miles away. I was so afraid that my wife was gonna go in labor at rush hour and we would get caught on I-45. I had NIGHTMARES!!!!

Keep cool Bro. I am praying for ya and Sis. Eastman.

To all AFF members I wish all could know these guys personally like I do. They just don't come no better.

BTW if any pastors on here want a great preacher and minister,this is the man.

God bless all and the Eastman's.
I don't know if anyone wishes ill on these folks.

Until the hijacking of this thread, most were excited with them at the anticipated arrival.

May the Lord Bless them both abundantly!
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:43 AM
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I know, I know.


And if you don't believe what others say, just ask a doctor! If you need a second opinion, ask 'em again!!
Doctors are human - they make mistakes - some do things based on their own personal opinion....

Nurses work in the trenches everyday - they know a thing or two.

Doctors are not God, their word isnt always gospel..

besides they "practice" medicine...


enuff said


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Old 04-23-2007, 10:44 AM
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I don't know if anyone wishes ill on these folks.

Until the hijacking of this thread, most were excited with them at the anticipated arrival.

May the Lord Bless them both abundantly!
I agree - I'm happy for them, I meant no disrespect towards them - I just had to comment on the other...


so sorry
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Old 04-23-2007, 10:49 AM
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I agree - I'm happy for them, I meant no disrespect towards them - I just had to comment on the other...


so sorry
I agree with you on the other also.
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:35 AM
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Epidurals are indeed the most common form of pain control. I work in a hospital and I very RARELY see a delivery without it.
I think you need to read Rico's words again in case you missed them.....LOL!

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I think I will take the word of the 4 different doctors that delivered our children over that of a nurse.
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*sigh*


it just kills me how people state things as a matter of fact based on their limited experience but are so dogmatic about how wrong someone else is...without the beneift of education on the matter or knowing the other persons personal experience...

then respond with some asinine remark directed at the other person...making it personal.......more proof IMO, of ignorance on their part....

Hey, I think I just described forums in general.
LOL! And here we are!
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Old 04-23-2007, 11:38 AM
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what do you know? You are just a NURSE??

and we all know how much more knowledgeable DOCTORS are over mere nurses.
Especially if you have four docs that say the same thing!! LOL!
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