Walks in Islam?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen and amen! .



According to the context of 2 John 1:10 that is not a "blessing".



Such a thought could not enter anyone's mind who genuinely reads and believes what a child can understand in Christ's and the apostles' words. They're just too plain to cause one, I think, to make a statement you make.



I pray blessings on many people who are not Christians, but not on people who hold false doctrine. Sorry. John simply said one who brings another doctrine cannot be blessed. I did not say that. John did. Wii seems to think John disagreed with Jesus.



That is not what "blessing" is in John's context. John noted that when we pray a blessing on a false prophet we are condoning their doctrine. Period. I neither pray nor wish any ill will on wii's life whatsoever. But John's words are true.

You and most likely agree, essentially. But I think you mistaken what John said due to your insistence that "blessing" is something else than what John meant. If that be the case, we agree in essence. It's only similar to someone who calls the color blue by the label "green" when in reality the person honestly mistook the label to refer to the same colour I call blue. You also, I think, erringly interpret John's advice something that is speaking against people actively and consciously fighting Christ as opposed to John's actual words about anyone not holding Christ's doctrine.

I do think you are crossing the line, though, in trying to appeal to people. Reaching out is one thing, but compromising truth in order to do so is another.



And who said I am smarter than you? You may be the smart one here!

I'm sleepy and fresh out of "Rock Star" energy drink. But I just want to say real quickly, that I have not, am not, and will not compromise my beliefs in anyway whatsoever. In fact, at this point in my life, I am 10 times more passionate about Jesus Christ than I have ever been.

Hopefully, you're around tomorrow. If not, I'll catch up with you later.

Be blessed!! Greatly!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But again, John, and others who talked about false doctrine, were talking about people who were actively working to destroy the gospel and bringing OT legalism into the church. WII doesn't fit into that category, from what I can see.

You misinterpret John's words. John did not say to not allow someone in your home who worked to destroy the gospel. He said to not allow anyone in who holds not this doctrine.

But I did not mention what you seem to not realize in John's words. By taking people into one's house, John meant acknowledging them as teachers of God and allowing them to teach. Bringing a doctrine is actually espousing a doctrine. It is not saying do not let a moslem sit and talk about the weather with you in your living room. Clarke said bidding one god speed was with the understanding as follows: “Have no religious connection with him, nor act towards him so as to induce others to believe you acknowledge him as a brother.”

Let me ask you this....not long ago, Christianity Today interviewed several Muslims who were exiting Willow Creek Community Church on a Sunday morning. They stated they had been attending for a year and a half and the article, basically, ripped Willow for allowing them to be there. What would be your reaction to that?

And be careful not to hurt my feelings....I'm seeker sensitive!!!

I would allow them to be in my church! No problem!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I'm sleepy and fresh out of "Rock Star" energy drink. But I just want to say real quickly, that I have not, am not, and will not compromise my beliefs in anyway whatsoever.

Compromising your beliefs and compromising truth may be two different things. But I get your point.

In fact, at this point in my life, I am 10 times more passionate about Jesus Christ than I have ever been.

Hopefully, you're around tomorrow. If not, I'll catch up with you later.

Be blessed!! Greatly!

God bless YOU, too.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. (8) Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. (9) Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, (10) Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

No this one kind of makes my point. I was looking for that "noted and filed for future reference". Considering the word "trepho" was used the literal meaning is food or nourishment. Kind of a tough life they were set out to lead. Nothing like the ministry of today eh Blume? Ministry of today looks more like business than service. Just sayin'

Any ministry that is a business is wrong. But a minister living off the gospel is not wrong. Jesus spoke of the minister as a WORK MAN. And He said ministers should be supported. Do you agree or not?

[mfblume]

wii,

Do you pray allah bless me and do so in order to condone my beliefs?

[mfblume]

wii,

contradictions?:

1 Corinthians 9:14 KJV Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Matthew 21:12-13 KJV And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, (13) And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Anyway, I posted enough. Someone else have at it. lol

[Walks_in_islam]

Keep it up blume. Certainly I have a whole week holiday. It's EID here.

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And they were directly spoken by John.

I got that. Your use of them appears to contradict the example of Jesus' ministry

VERY subtle, wii.

Blume there was NOTHING subtle about that post.

Jesus' words do not degrade me or my words. Jesus' words correspond perfectly with John's words in 2 John 1:10.

I posted Jesus' words. You said the words degraded you. Now you are saying that Jesus' words which I posted do not degrade you or your words. Which is it?

Your words degrade John the Apostle's words as words that conflict with what Jesus Christ said.

Actually it was what the pharisees said about Jesus' actions but I will not confuse you any further. John the apostle's words, as used by you, conflicted with what Jesus DID however.

I disagree with nothing Jesus said. But you seem to disagree with what John the apostle said to the extent you claim John conflicted with Jesus.

Are you implying that "the pharisees murmered" somehow jumps to something Jesus said? Again your use and context of what John said contradicts what the pharisees said that Jesus DID

Not at all. I love every word and agree with every word Jesus said.

Yeah, I can see that. That must be why we are having this discussion huh. You also publicly state your 'love' for everyone who disagrees with you NOTE: Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them

Not at all. I explained what the words meant from both Christ and John, and indeed there is no conclusion needed since they simply state what I claimed. Anyone except those looking for conflict in their words would agree.

Your arrogance in saying "they state what I claim" is overshadowed by my contention that "they state what they state".

It was a dishonest conclusion, is all. If you can sleep with that, then go right ahead.

It is not your place to determine the honesty or dishonesty of someone else's conclusions. See above comment on arrogance.

[Walks_in_islam]

I will today. You have exhausted me LOL

Originally Posted by mfblume

wii,

Do you pray allah bless me and do so in order to condone my beliefs?

[mfblume]

wii, I did not say Jesus' words degraded me. Please relate what is actually being said if you wish to dialogue.

I said:

Veiling what the bible said as MY WORDS in order to degrade the bible by degarding MY WORDS,

That meant YOU were degrading the bible's words in 2 John 1:10 and, in turn, YOU were degrading my words by the way you mishandled Jesus' words. I never said nor do I believe Jesus degraded my words.

Regards!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I will today. You have exhausted me LOL

You will pray allah bless me to condone my beliefs? You disobey your koran, then. It tells you to curse me, while I would never think to curse you.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Quotes from Quran:

Qur'an 5:17 "Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, 'The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.'"

Qur'an 5:72 "They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: 'God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.' But the Messiah only said: 'O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'"

Qur'an 9:30 "Muhsin Khan
: And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!"

Qur'an 3:61 "If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them." Qur'an 3:62 "This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah - He is the Mighty, the Wise. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: 'O People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.' If then they turn back, say you: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims surrendered."

Do you believe these words, Walks in Islam?

I am glad you disobey the Koran here, wii.

John the apostle's words, as used by you, conflicted with what Jesus DID however.

No, they did not. You know no sinners who held no doctrine? But anyway, you believe John was wrong. Mkay.

I wish no ill will to you, and believe you are likely a good person. I even hope, apart from anything that condones your religion, things go great for you! But you need to come back to Jesus.