I understand what you are saying and we could be cutting off our nose in spite of our face (is that the saying?).
Exactly, I just sometimes watch what we as a conservative community do and wonder if anybody is really thinking things through or are people just running off of emotionalism. It seems like most of the mouthpieces are just trying to tap into emotion and fear and not logic. In this outcry, we are opening ourselves up to things that very well may come back to bite.
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Stew,
The uproar was the ambiguous wording of his proposed lesson plan. We need to STOP overlooking that important point. That is a very far cry from trying to censure him from speaking to the public school system.
He is going to be accountable and I hope that everyone after him gets the same outcry from the public - both Republican and Democrat. I think with Twitter and other venues, we will.
I would have had no problem with him giving a back-to-school speech, but DON"T stick an ambiguous anything in my face. You will hear from me.
PO, much of the uproar began when it was announced that he would be talking to all the students in public schools...period. When the initial announcement was made, most had never even seen a lesson plan. Many who opposed it were saying that even the act of trying to talk to all the kids was unprecedented...they didn't realize that a Rep. had done it before. Also many, many, many government officials of all levels do it all the time.
My additional point is that there are parents in the schools that I talk to who are not necessarily thrilled that this Apostolic minister is talking to their children. At the very least are we saying that I need to submit an unambiguous lesson plan for their approval?
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
PO, much of the uproar began when it was announced that he would be talking to all the students in public schools...period.
My additional point is that there are parents in the schools that I talk to who are not necessarily thrilled that this Apostolic minister is talking to their children. At the very least are we saying that I need to submit an unambiguous lesson plan for their approval?
That's not what I understood, period.
Yes, if you are speaking at my school, I want your speech and your lesson plan ahead of time. YES!
The trouble with all this arose because the materials in the ED’s lesson plan are an integral part of the president’s message, and the fact that it has already been necessarily revised (post-dissemination) proves it was in fact controversial.
Yes, if you are speaking at my school, I want your speech and your lesson plan ahead of time. YES!
Okay, I'm just saying that what I've read of the speech and everything associated did not seem alarming to me. If any person were telling our children this, I would applaud them regardless of their party affiliations.
To my greater point, I think we need to be very careful as to what position we church people take as our official stance on "propaganda" in public schools. There are many Americans who see the sorts of things we would like to see embraced by public schools as "propaganda"...and we don't need to pull the rug out from under our own feet just to spite Obama.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
Okay, I'm just saying that what I've read of the speech and everything associated did not seem alarming to me. If any person were telling our children this, I would applaud them regardless of their party affiliations.
To my greater point, I think we need to be very careful as to what position we church people take as our official stance on "propaganda" in public schools. There are many Americans who see the sorts of things we would like to see embraced by public schools as "propaganda"...and we don't need to pull the rug out from under our own feet just to spite Obama.
The speech you read, from what I understand, was a second draft. So, yes, the second draft was a good speech. My mistrust of him is that he had to have a second draft.
This is the follow up video that must be played AFTER his speech. He has not approved "vouchers" for these D.C. children. In his campaign speech he said that he was against vouchers. So, whatever he said to the schools and what he will say Wednesday night, I agree with Thomas Sowell - "What Barack Obama says is not nearly as important as what he has been doing-- and how he has been doing it."
His school speech means nothing to me until he corrects this issue in Washington D.C.
The speech you read, from what I understand, was a second draft. So, yes, the second draft was a good speech. My mistrust of him is that he had to have a second draft.
This is the follow up video that must be played AFTER his speech. He has not approved "vouchers" for these D.C. children. In his campaign speech he said that he was against vouchers. So, whatever he said to the schools and what he will say Wednesday night, I agree with Thomas Sowell - "What Barack Obama says is not nearly as important as what he has been doing-- and how he has been doing it."
His school speech means nothing to me until he corrects this issue in Washington D.C.
PO, I read your quote earlier from breitbart about his changing things is absolute proof that it was controversial. Controversial does not necessarily mean wrong. Once again you have to think this through from all sides. How many times have we seen things have to be changed because a group objected and we become so incensed about "political correctness". If your position is that everything that is changed because some people got upset was dead wrong from the beginning, it has to apply across the board. It has to apply to everything that was changed because gay activists didn't like the nuances, it has to apply to everything that was changed because any civil rights activist took offense, it has to apply to everything that was changed because the ACLU didn't like a technicality, etc...
From the initial letter that I read that was sent to all the principals concerning this until now, I have not read anything that warrants this response or the problems that we can be creating for our own involvement in public schools in the future.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
PO, I read your quote earlier from breitbart about his changing things is absolute proof that it was controversial. Controversial does not necessarily mean wrong. Once again you have to think this through from all sides. How many times have we seen things have to be changed because a group objected and we become so incensed about "political correctness". If your position is that everything that is changed because some people got upset was dead wrong from the beginning, it has to apply across the board. It has to apply to everything that was changed because gay activists didn't like the nuances, it has to apply to everything that was changed because any civil rights activist took offense, it has to apply to everything that was changed because the ACLU didn't like a technicality, etc...
From the initial letter that I read that was sent to all the principals concerning this until now, I have not read anything that warrants this response or the problems that we can be creating for our own involvement in public schools in the future.
The wording is not good for his tainted by association issues, Stew.
The original lesson plan asked children to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.” It has since been changed to say “Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.”
Cast a vote for him in second term, Stew. Si se puedo!
The wording is not good for his tainted by association issues, Stew.
The original lesson plan asked children to “write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president.” It has since been changed to say “Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals.”
Cast a vote for him in second term, Stew. Si se puedo!
You know I didn't vote for him in the first term, but I still maintain that this has been much ado about nothing and that if President Bush had asked the kids the same thing, it would not have garnered the same response from the same people. Either way, I fear for the issues that this whole outcry may be creating for us in the future when it comes to our involvement in public schools.
If you are asking children to help the President of the United States, I think the pertinent issue becomes what did the President tell them he wanted to do with their help.
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There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Chuck Norris lives in Houston.
Either the United States will destroy ignorance, or ignorance will destroy the United States. – W.E.B. DuBois
You know I didn't vote for him in the first term, but I still maintain that this has been much ado about nothing and that if President Bush had asked the kids the same thing, it would not have garnered the same response from the same people. Either way, I fear for the issues that this whole outcry may be creating for us in the future when it comes to our involvement in public schools.
If you are asking children to help the President of the United States, I think the pertinent issue becomes what did the President tell them he wanted to do with their help.
Yea, I would have wanted to know that too, but since he "revised" his question, we will never know, now will we?
Okay, I'm being snarky today!!!!!! I would apologize, but you know how that goes - I just can't lie!
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