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Old 06-11-2009, 07:11 AM
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Your honesty touches me. Thank you. Without faith in the blood for our salvation everything that we do in regard to "living holy", our works, is just religion and no better than any other faith.
Yep, which is my point above.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:13 AM
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I'm in my early 40s, raised Pentecostal, and I'm just now beginning to learn what the blood of Jesus was all about. Just now understanding that it's not my works that will save me.
You will be judged by your works unto life or unto death.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:14 AM
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Obedient faith in God's Word will get the job done.

It is amazing how many will do everything BUT what God's Word asked them to do.
Naaman, the Syrian, fussed and fumed that the prophet wanted him to dip seven
times in muddy Jordan. He argued that the rivers of Damascus were cleaner than
any of Israel's rivers. He was angered that the prophet didn't come to him, but
asked the Naaman to come to where the prophet was. Then when they came to
where the prophet was, instead of going out to Naaman, the prophet sent word out
by a servant, telling Naaman what to do. Of course Naaman was angry and didn't
want to do what the prophet of God asked of him. His wise servant remarked that
IF the prophet had told him to do some hard thing, he would have done it.

Only when Naaman obeyed the prophet's words, was he healed and made whole of
his leprosy. His curse (sin) was removed. By obedient faith.

The results in the laying on of hands in James 5, is NOT in the oil, but in the name
that it's done in. Obedient Faith in THE NAME!


The results in baptism is not in the water, but in The Name that that it's done in.

Why is is SO hard to understand that faith in THE NAME of JESUS is what brings
results. For there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men whereby
we MUST be saved.

I know many people through the last 50 yrs that have argued and been angered
because of THE NAME!!! But they get sick and many call our people to pray for
them. But you mention The Name of JESUS for water baptism and they are through
talking to you.

I know a lady that lived neighbors to us that asked my late parents
if they would be willing to go pray for her sister who was diagnosed with cancer. (This was in the 1950's.)

They went and when the lady went back to the doctor, no cancer could be found.
There was such a backlash among people, that the doctor left town that diagnosed
her. They felt he was a quack. That lady lived to be almost 90 yrs old. I saw her son
who is a few years older than I at a funeral a few yrs ago. His mother was still either
still alive and died shorly afterward or had just died of old age. I asked Troy if he rem-
embered my parents praying for his mother. He said, "I certainly do". There are many
witnesses of healings, etc. from people who simply had obedient faith. They had faith
in my parents prayers, but when it came to obeying the Word of God in baptism, they
turned a deaf ear.

No, it's not in the oil or the water, but in THE NAME of JESUS! Yes, the Word said to
anoint with OIL, and to baptize in WATER, but without THE NAME, you don't
have a "contract".

Not to offend!

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Old 06-11-2009, 07:24 AM
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Old 06-11-2009, 07:37 AM
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There are so many sincere godly people that I know who love the Lord with all their hearts and live holy lives, separated unto Him. But they don't understand Jesus' name baptism, or the godhead like we do. They have unbelievable prayer lives and put me to shame witnessing. I believe they are SAVED. If God chooses to show them the truths that we love, then He will. They certainly spend time with Him in sincere prayer and are willing to listen to His voice. Those people are as much His as any of us.
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If we know more, it is our responsibility to tell them the more we know.
To whom much is given, shall much be required. Paul stated these words in ! Cor. 9:16,

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Not to offend, but to speak the truth in love. The love of God shed abroad in our
hearts by the Holy Ghost.

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Old 06-11-2009, 07:56 AM
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There are so many sincere godly people that I know who love the Lord with all their hearts and live holy lives, separated unto Him. But they don't understand Jesus' name baptism, or the godhead like we do. They have unbelievable prayer lives and put me to shame witnessing. I believe they are SAVED. If God chooses to show them the truths that we love, then He will. They certainly spend time with Him in sincere prayer and are willing to listen to His voice. Those people are as much His as any of us.
Here is the problem... You claimed you believe they are saved. You have now set a precedent that you can deny truth and still be saved based on committment. Many will come to me and say did we not.... Committed people who God used for his work yet they did not obey and are found lawless.

I believe in teaching and admonishing doctrine that is correct but you have nothing to base that they are saved besides well they are "better" than me. Mormons, JW's and many other groups along with Hindu and Islamic religions have people much more committed from the heart than most Christians. IT means NOTHING as being committed is important but it in itself does not necessitate salvation. God in the end will be just and in the mean time we are to speak truth to the hungry and who need him and in the end God will sort it all out. In the end we are ALL HIS some to honor and others to dishonor and it's up to us when faced with his word to choose which vessel we will be.
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Old 06-11-2009, 08:03 AM
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If we know more, it is our responsibility to tell them the more we know.
To whom much is given, shall much be required. Paul stated these words in ! Cor. 9:16,

16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Not to offend, but to speak the truth in love. The love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost.

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Old 06-11-2009, 08:06 AM
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Here is the problem... You claimed you believe they are saved. You have now set a precedent that you can deny truth and still be saved based on committment. Many will come to me and say did we not.... Committed people who God used for his work yet they did not obey and are found lawless.

I believe in teaching and admonishing doctrine that is correct but you have nothing to base that they are saved besides well they are "better" than me. Mormons, JW's and many other groups along with Hindu and Islamic religions have people much more committed from the heart than most Christians. IT means NOTHING as being committed is important but it in itself does not necessitate salvation. God in the end will be just and in the mean time we are to speak truth to the hungry and who need him and in the end God will sort it all out. In the end we are ALL HIS some to honor and others to dishonor and it's up to us when faced with his word to choose which vessel we will be.
They HAVE obeyed all that they've seen. They're not in disobedience! I have explained the godhead in detail to some and they still don't understand it, but they are open to God speaking to them about it. I believe you're only in danger when you close your mind and heart to the voice of God. As long as you're seeking, God will honor that - JMHO.
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Old 06-11-2009, 08:27 AM
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They HAVE obeyed all that they've seen. They're not in disobedience! I have explained the godhead in detail to some and they still don't understand it, but they are open to God speaking to them about it. I believe you're only in danger when you close your mind and heart to the voice of God. As long as you're seeking, God will honor that - JMHO.
I agree, God will lead them if they have a open heart and teaching the truth is all you can do. In the end God will see them for who they are as he will all of us and be the righteous judge he is.
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